How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[gabi]

Hmm.. Is this Schofield list bullshit then?

 

[lefteri]

from hell

 

[Favelado]

might be worth warning people about some of the pics on that link.

Yeah. It's pretty distasteful. I wish I hadn't opened it.

 

[frogwoman]

aye id break that link if i were you there are some pics on there i am really not sure should be linked to. not pornographic but not good either way.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Hmm.. Is this Schofield list bullshit then?

I think it was a valid attempt by government controlled media to rubbish the internet. It may well work.

 

[Raminta]

I smell of rat, can we trust gov and media? I think some nasty laws will be impose, or other invasions.

 

[elbows]

I saw Goodie Osburn with the devil!

Seriously, those concerned that the twitchunt might be used to bury the stuff that isnt rubbish, might want to consider their own reactions to events of the last week. Especially right now. Why isnt that Guardian article giving pause for thought?

 

[little_legs]

At this point, it's really impossible to know what's going on behind the scenes. Despite Cameron (I think?) recently saying that it's for the police to investigate, they will be working furiously, as suggested on the thread earlier, at all levels I expect, to work out who, what, where, how, not necessarily in terms of abuse, but in terms of who knew what. They are probably more concerned at this point about any political cover ups becoming publicly known - especially in recent years and by people in the current government or close to them - than they are with the details of the crimes themselves. But as I said, it's impossible to know what they are doing behind the scenes, but it certainly is going to be a hell of a lot more than we are told.

I am hoping William Hague will be naive enough to go on TV in the next couple of days and gets ambushed with a list too. He had the copy of the report and had no problems with supressing information for so many years.

 

[elbows]

And please dont get me wrong, there has been some media bleating tonight that does have a whiff of establishment media attempting to define the spectrum of acceptable debate. But they also have some really valid points, and any steering tends to be done a little more gently than some are suggesting right now.

 

[DJ Squelch]

So it now looks likely that people have been calling for a probable innocent man to be publicly named a paedophile, Messham has lead you all a merry dance. Maybe you should read all the evidence before you start your next witch hunt.

 

[Citizen66]

Why isn't C4 naming these people?

Because without evidence/conviction it's slander.

 

[gabi]

Because without evidence/conviction it's slander.

Well thank fuck for the internet then

 

[Citizen66]

im not too sure about the content either.

Looks like redwatch lol.

 

[gabi]

This Week is surreal at the moment if the internet rumours are to be believed

 

[Citizen66]

Well Cameron seemed to be panicking and didn't deny anything...

 

[free spirit]

So it now looks likely that people have been calling for a probable innocent man to be publicly named a paedophile, Messham has lead you all a merry dance. Maybe you should read all the evidence before you start your next witch hunt.

if you have all the evidence, please post it up and I'll happily read it. Kinda the point of this thread really

 

[Treacle Toes]

So it now looks likely that people have been calling for a probable innocent man to be publicly named a paedophile, Messham has lead you all a merry dance. Maybe you should read all the evidence before you start your next witch hunt.

David...is that you?

 

[Prole]

So it now looks likely that people have been calling for a probable innocent man to be publicly named a paedophile, Messham has lead you all a merry dance. Maybe you should read all the evidence before you start your next witch hunt.

Why is Messham being attacked? He is incredibly brave and was correct in saying that he gave polaroids of many of the abusers (and there were many) to the police, the C4 news report revealed they had been destroyed. The Guardian isn't necessarily correct on this and the fact that the other fusilier had his lawyers watching the Waterhouse Inquiry proves that he had been named and it should be the police interviewing him not bloody journalists!

Edit: Oh, and another dead one, move on nothing to see here.

 

[frogwoman]

His words may hasve been reported (he said that his abuser was dead and they all jumped to the conclusion it was the wrong guy)

 

[Wilf]

The party that you brought you Section 28 - now worried about a gay witchunt. LOL.

 

[Treacle Toes]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/354945/Sex-abuse-is-guilty-secret

 

[Prole]

Guardian article

On Thursday Keith Gregory, the Wrexham councillor who has been an eloquent spokesperson for the victims of abuse this week, said he believed a different member of the McAlpine family who lived locally may have been mistaken for Lord McAlpine.

He said a man who children at the home believed to be a member of the McAlpine family would arrive at Bryn Estyn in an expensive car. "He was a right flashy thing," he said.

Lord McAlpine was exonerated by the 1997 Waterhouse inquiry of any involvement in the abuse of children in the north Wales homes but not named because of an order by the retired judge preventing the identification of either victims or alleged abusers. As a result he has been the subject of persistent smears, which resurfaced following the Newsnight allegations about a senior Tory.

But the allegations made by Messham began to unravel after it emerged that he told the Waterhouse inquiry in 1997 that the McAlpine family member he believed to be his abuser was now dead. Lord McAlpine is alive and living in Italy.

But didn't Messham tell Newsnight that he was told he couldn't name them and that he wouldn't be questioned about them and that these names were removed from his statements? OTOH he was also abused by Kenyon who by then was dead - is there obfuscation going on?

 

[elbows]

Prole you might want to make it clear that you are quoting that Guardian article so that you aren't moderated in the way posts with those names have previously been, before the Guardian article came out.

 

[Wilf]

Tonight then, we've found a Tory who isn't guilty of child abuse. Truly, a corner has been turned.

 

[Favelado]

I smell of rat, can we trust gov and media? I think some nasty laws will be impose, or other invasions.

Favourite typo of the week there.

 

[Favelado]

I smell of monkey.

 

[elbows]

I smell of twitter, or at least I would do if I were not tedious enough to have carefully washed myself with balancing fluids for more than a week.

 

[free spirit]

Alfred 'Jimmie' McAlpine - liked his cars, and chaired construction company Sir Alfred McAlpine & sons, son of Lord Alfred McAlpine, and grandson of Sir Robert McAlpine. Now allegedly was a child abuser.

Lord (Alistair) McAlpine - Tory treasurer under Margaret Thatcher, and former(?) director of construction firm Sir Robert McAlpine & sons, and grandson of Sir Robert McAlpine. Now alleged by the Guardian not to be a child abuser but a victim of mistaken identity.


I can see how someone could get the 2 mixed up tbh, so the Guardian could be right.

That said, it seems a little odd that tory lord McAlpine would claim to have only been to the place once, unless the family was totally estranged from each other / disowned, as they are cousins... having said that, I suppose I only really see my cousins at their parents houses, so maybe that is plausible.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

If the Peter Morrison angle is submerged from now then it will come back.

One thing the Schofield list thing does is confirm to everyone that Cameron knows the names.

Of course anyone who has thought it through would know that, but that aint really the point -
Till today the post-savile stuff was still too much the preserve of people with an interest in politics. This is to MSM's shame, though not exclusively, either because CELEBRITY PAEDO mattered more or attacking the BBC did.

Now there has been a stunt and daytime TV added to the mix. Sadly but truly, these have made it more "newsworthy" than mere child abuse and cover-up in the political establishment, which for days has not been as important as IACGMOH, the Savile stuff and some other stories.

The stunt will, I think, say to the more general public "UNDER THE CARPET ALERT", probably only added to by Cameron trying on the blind alley "witch-hunt" thing. I'd love to know if that was his own off-the-cuff line or pre-prepared with the wonks. If the latter it's somewhat more desperate.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

At one point I thought a certain someone was Roger Mcalpine the building magnate of the same family, because I hadn't rooted around on Twitter very much.

Then I remembered that his name was up all over my community associated with some hideous eco-cide going under the guise of "development". The irony of seeing that name everywhere when no one was meant to be saying it all was pretty far out.