How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[Mr.Bishie]

 

[Barking_Mad]

Back to Max Clifford - PR Ambassador for Children in Need I hear.

Ridiculous then, and even more so now.

WTF?

 

[Prole]

Coincidence that Schofield waves his internet list on the same day that C4 are given an actual list.

Geoffrey Dickens (the Peter Hayman expose) also questioned Leon Brittan on paedophile rings in Buckingham Palace as well as the Civil Service: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...wADgU#v=onepage&q=geoffrey dickens mp&f=false

Dickens is given credit during this debate on the Sex Offenders Bill:

The Bill covers not just paedophiles who take children's innocence away: it also covers those who entice children into prostitution. When I first entered the House, if we talked about paedophiles, people did not want to know. It was an unpopular subject and people thought that there were just one or two crazed individuals who might be interested in that kind of perversion. I pay tribute to the former hon. Member—now, sadly, deceased—Geoffrey Dickens, who represented Huddersfield, West when I represented Huddersfield, East. He introduced the subject to the House and made much headway in bringing the subject to our attention. I remember when he first spoke in the House; people were not interested, or found the subject amusing, but we have learnt more about paedophiles and their ghastly interests over the years and now we have the Bill.

Sex Offenders Bill (Hansard, 27 January 1997)

 

[ska invita]

ok, so you're saying that the bbc organised the whole schofield-on-itv-shenanigans this morning? or am i reading you absolutely back to front? (sorry, it's been a long day )

is it on itv? shows how much ive been paying attention! I always thought of him as a bbc presenter. apologies - im way off the mark here.
By way of explanation my thinking was that an interview with cameron is a big thing that would be discussed at a higher level than the presenters, and a confrontation of the tory pm with a list of tory sex offenders was a bold move on a bbc channel at this time.

 

[free spirit]

fwiw - the person referred to in the 1981 sunday times article wasn't savile, it was a singer who is still alive, and is yet to be outed.

so a singer famous in the early 80s as being 'almost a saint' is the latest guess who from the entertainment industry.

 

[bi0boy]

so a singer famous in the early 80s as being 'almost a saint' is the latest guess who from the entertainment industry.

Not that one the old people like, and the Christians?

 

[free spirit]

I've got no additional info either way on that, but that was my immediate thought at well.

We shall see, or maybe we won't as he's still alive. Long time friend of savile from before he was famous as well according to some savile interviews from the 90s.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Not that one the old people like, and the Christians?

His name has been mentioned in an article possibly linked somewhere on this thread. If not ive certainly read it myself somewhere else. That is currently assigned 'conspiracy theory' however!

edit: Google - kray twins paedophile cross dressing - 1st result.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I suppose if you look at it one way, it's no different than entering into a plea agreement in any criminal investigation. I suppose it depends what the details are. The way it's originally worded makes it sound like by saying "we won't tell anyone" they expect all these paedophiles - whose entire lives have been built around making sure they aren't found out - to wander down the nearest cop shop and say "I like little kids, but don't judge me, because I'm going to tell you who else does too." Really, what's in it for them? If they are pretty certain no one is on their trail anyway, and they haven't been approached in an investigation, who is going to offer it up willingly? But, of course, if they are already being investigated for it, there is more impetus - a la plea bargain.

Good points, but perhaps it would only take a minor panic to get the snowball rolling down the hill. I dare say such panic could well be in the air.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Channel 4 have a councillor who kept extensive files on the whole business.

Another one who may need to make regular checks that the brakes haven't been seen to.

 

[butchersapron]

Wrong family member?

 

[Barking_Mad]

Of course if Cameron was really wanting to make a nuanced point he could have talked about the complexity of paedophilia and the fact that it is carried out by people of various sexual orientations. Instead what we got was "Let's not have a witch-hunt and blame the gays!"

*facepalm*

 

[elbows]

Wrong family member?

Finally we dont have to stagger around this aspect anymore. Well not so much anyway.

 

[Vintage Paw]

His name has been mentioned in an article possibly linked somewhere on this thread. If not ive certainly read it myself somewhere else. That is currently assigned 'conspiracy theory' however!

edit: Google - kray twins paedophile cross dressing - 1st result.

Fucking hell, that link drops in a tentative mention of Madeleine McCann. lol. That'd be a turn up, eh?

 

[savoloysam]

Nice to see every panelist on question time shunting down "internet rumours" and Philip Schofield stating it's a police matter. Is this the same police that is guilty of helping cover virtually every scandal going including evidence of this one?

Then again what else would you expect from the BBC's filthy dirty hands?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Of course if Cameron was really wanting to make a nuanced point he could have talked about the complexity of paedophilia and the fact that it is carried out by people of various sexual orientations. Instead what we got was "Let's not have a witch-hunt and blame the gays!"

*facepalm*

Now it's all Phillip's fault!

What was telling about DC response is that he know's already...again the gov tell us that they can't be honest about this because 'you/us' will be homophobic. We are too stupid/homphobic to handle the 'truth'. Yet again, we should leave it to them to take care of this.

 

[gabi]

Is this why the weird dream team hosting team on This Week was broken up a year or so ago?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Then again what else would you expect from the BBC's filthy dirty hands?

All in this together...apparently!

 

[elbows]

I really recommend reading the Guardian article that Butchers linked to before going any further with this. The story has moved on, get out of that cul-de-sac.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

CH 4 News is indeed fantastic.

But says the councillor with reams of records is not a conspiracy theorist. She absolutely is. What has happened to our language?

 

[gabi]

Can we link to this list on here? Or is that out of bounds.

Why isn't C4 naming these people?

 

[elbows]

Channel 4 news picked the wrong day to discuss important stuff, given that the internet names thing has now exploded in a direction that is both helpful and potentially unhelpful.

Newsnight just mentioned the Guardian story but still dont want to touch the names at the moment.

The danger now is that things like the Peter Morrison angle are lost, certainly has been on the BBC tonight.

 

[Watchman]

link deleted by request.

 

[Treacle Toes]

 

[frogwoman]

I’ll just leave this here, as my head is beginning to spin…

might be worth warning people about some of the pics on that link.

 

[frogwoman]

im not too sure about the content either.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Was Guardian editor @davidleigh3 harassing Wrexham victim @smessham? Read his timeline and make your own mind up. https://twitter.com/davidleigh3

 

[gabi]

This Week's about to start, should be interesting to see how that cunt Andrew Neil handles it.

 

[Watchman]

Good point, frogwoman. (See previous post)

 

[gabi]

Oh right, he's choosing to focus on Nadine Dorries rather than his former colleague