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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

Barking_Mad said:
Epetition for those who are interested: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/39312
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I'm not sure what good a public inquiry would do.

The only way anyone can end up behind bars is via a police investigation, as Tom Watson suggests led via an unrelated police force. One problem with that obviously being the question of whether the police force chosen would actually be one that had no involvement in this, or just one who's involvement hadn't yet had a public airing at all.
 
Barking_Mad said:
this has some interesting bits and bobs

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/ This piece is maybe worth a look
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i concluded a while back that that site is on the unreliable/ bordering on loony fringe.

all the conspiraloon and attention seeker websites run by idiots are getting undue credibility from ripping off genuine investigation work by Scallywag, and by calling out Savile (again, not exactly a groundbreaking allegation even 10 years ago]. these people are then confusing matters by bolting their own agendas [anti-semitic; homophobic; naked self interest; naked egotism] onto the Scallywag story. anyone googling this stuff has to be alert to that reality, and avoid spreading the drivel further.

a website should not be taken seriously just because it latched onto this story five years ago.
 
I know they're hardly the publication that they like to think/pretend they are, but I'm curious to see what PE do with this nonetheless.
 
Barking_Mad said:
Daily Star article featuring some quotes allegedly from a cop who was warned off investigating anything further

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/279380/TORY-PAEDO-COVER-UP/
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lots of new stuff in there:
  • Belgians coming over? that takes this international. this will open up the Marc Dutroux stuff again for the Belgians i would imagine.
  • an 80s cabinet minister - presumably the man with the list? this isn't the tory official who is getting mentioned elsewhere. its the first MSM source to talk about the man with the list (who is an ex-cabinet minister and current MP).
  • MI5 security checks - freespirit you will want to be reading this one.
  • security source: "Any weaknesses have to be disclosed to the Cabinet Secretary and Prime Minister"
 
I was doing some googling of Sir Peter Hayman after finding this on the P.I.E. entry on Wiki: "After the trial, it emerged that there had been a cover-up: Mr "Henderson" had worked for MI6 and been a high commissioner in Canada." Using Parliamentary Privilege MP Geoffrey Dickens named Hayman: http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1981/mar/19/sir-peter-hayman-1

Whether 'the saint' is Savile or not, hard to tell - but this would coincide with the Thatcher years.
 
for those not wanting to trawl the article, the quote potentially relevant to savile is

'More recently, the police came to the DPP with a case concerning a highly respected public figure and his relations with young boys. The complaints against the young man were not serious and concerned conduct that could be interpreted simply as displays of excessive affection, for example. The DPP decided that although there was prema facia case against the man he would probably be aquitted - "he was regarded almost as a saint" - but the publicity would ruin his career. The man was warned about his conduct, he was not prosecuted."
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I've just found email addresses for 2 of the journos listed as co-writers, to see if either of them are in a position to confirm if this was referring to savile or not.
 
I dont consider the young boys thing to be a very good fit for Savile, nor was he very likely to be associated with 'overly affectionate' behaviour given the sudden, cold groping style of his apparent abuse. He wasnt the only person who some might have though had a saintly image. Anyway the article is very interesting when it comes to decisions about whether to prosecute, havent seen too much else that looks at it from this important angle quite so bluntly.
 
I was thinking the licking arms, sticking his tongue down some lasses throat type stuff would fit with that sort of description, which from several accounts seems to be the sort of thing he'd regularly do.

but you may be right.

re the 2nd part, yes it does seem pretty clear on how those decisions were made, and how the view on the 'public interest' test impacts on decisions to prosecute or not.
 
elbows said:
I dont consider the young boys thing to be a very good fit for Savile, nor was he very likely to be associated with 'overly affectionate' behaviour given the sudden, cold groping style of his apparent abuse. He wasnt the only person who some might have though had a saintly image. Anyway the article is very interesting when it comes to decisions about whether to prosecute, havent seen too much else that looks at it from this important angle quite so bluntly.
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Savile wouldn't have been described as a 'young man' as the offender is there either, even back in the late 70s/early 80s - or am I misreading that?
 
free spirit said:
for those not wanting to trawl the article, the quote potentially relevant to savile is



I've just found email addresses for 2 of the journos listed as co-writers, to see if either of them are in a position to confirm if this was referring to savile or not.
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I'd be very surprised if it did - it also sounds like they were simply told the story by police or DPP when they investigated the Hayman case, which doesn't require the person to be named to them.

Really odd that such big hitters were used to write that story though - esp when it was, by then, a known case.
 
where to said:
How much does Crick know about case? Has he ever investigated himself, in depth?
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I don't recall his name coming up in anything to do with this before the Overton tweet - not to say that he hasn't done his own digging, but it doesn't seem like it's something he was worked on.
 
where to said:
So possible responce to witness/ information circulated about witness.
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Be interesting - if this is the case - to see if he's talked to the same people as BIJ and came to a different conclusion or if he's talked to others that BIJ haven't. Either way it would throw up a number of questions.
 
This is one of the downsides of twitter, journalists that people take some notice of being able to drop one-liners without any compunction to provide more detail at that time.

I suppose there are plenty of possibilities as to why Crick has said that.

He may have read some of the stuff we have read here, some of which does make it hard to abandon all scepticism.

He may have been talking to people (eg journalists) who are familiar with the history of the allegations, thsoe who make them, inquiries, etc.

He may have been talking to loads of people who know the alleged perpetrator, and some things about the person are a poor fit for the story.

We know he talked to who he believes is the alleged perpetrator at least several times on Friday, and possibly since. We do not know how sympathetic he may be towards this character.

The way he worded his tweet does open the possibility that he has said this now in order to dissuade MPs from naming him in the house.

Either way I hope he plans to do a piece where he expands somewhat on this stuff, preferably today.
 
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