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yeh no one would let johnson anywhere near a sabre as he'd undoubtedly cut his fingers as he tried to rattle it
How close are we to war breaking out in Europe?
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ska invita
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Talking-up a war is exactly what it is, as is making comparisons with WW2
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i think that johnson's suddenly found much to admire about neville chamberlain
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Rubbish.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The one bit of Johnson's spiel that does seem well judged is the mention of costing young Russian lives. That's a direct reference to Russian conscripts. The deaths of conscripts have a different meaning to a leader than the deaths of professional soldiers, and very different consequences.
platinumsage
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Yep Its not like 200.000 Soviet troops didn't unwantedly turn up in Czechoslovakia in 68
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apparently - on wikipedia therefore not certain - conscripts not used for combat missions.
Russian Armed Forces - Wikipedia
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
of course johnson is trying to make the most of this = perfect opportunity for him to put on his churchill hat and regurgitate winson-esque rhetoric so as to sound like hes all important and at the eye of the storm. As far as the Russians are concerned he's an irrelevance - I seriously doubt anything he says will be given any serious attention outside of the UK media. The US , Germany and France (de factor leaders of the EU) are the real drivers of western strategy.
ska invita
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It's either talking down war, a neutral comment, or talking up war
Seems objectively clear it's the third of those
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apparently - on wikipedia therefore not certain - conscripts not used for combat missions.
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Russian Armed Forces - Wikipedia
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lester w grau & charles k bartles, the russian way of war (fort leavenworth, ks: foreign military studies office, 2017), 5
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he is the perennial 'and finally' on the russian equivalent of news at ten
ska invita
back on the other side
Though of course what they talk up or down is ultimately irrelevant beyond UK electorates consciousness
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yeh there's no way that this conflict in a far-off land of which we know nothing is ever going to impact us back here in blighty
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I'm not usually interested in economics and haven't ever really given a flying fuck about this sort of thing so excuse my ignorance but...
What happens if the likes of Roman and his friends decide to move their money into something else by way of offloading their property portfolios. Will that have an effect on the housing market's bubble?
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don't know but i'd like to find out
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yeh as i've shown above the russians diminish the chances of conscripts coming home in body bags by putting them in ancillary roles to the contracted or volunteer soldiers. littlebabyjesus affects to have me on ignore, so he's an excuse for not reading the posts. but you don't.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
I doubt that Russian media would be covering casualty figures much
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Pretty much this. I think if you don't travel or don't watch foreign news media you don't realize how largely irrelevant we are to world politics, and with a clown like Johnson even more so.
But particularly with this, because it's Putin, a hardline don't gaf nationalist, he'll be seeing Johnson as пыль - dust.
Ergo any discussion around this involving "Johnson said.." is a bit of a waste of time.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Usually whenever a large amount of anything is quickly dumped into any market, the value of whatever it is goes down. You'd expect that sort of move to reduce property prices but how much, how quickly, and for how long, would depend on how much there is out there, and I'm not sure anyone really knows.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
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Fair enough.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Did I imagine it or was their some suggestion previously that one of the reasons the Russki's were investing in the British property boom was so they could influence it's stability, or more to the point lack of, in the future?
Sorry ..I am using the phone and was cooking at the time
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I am very surprised at the alarmist nature of Johnson's comments. I would have expected cool heads and diplomacy at this stage.
If an invasion happens, I could then understand Johnson saying similar but right now I dont think it was useful or helpful to anyone. Especially, as others here have said, Putin doesnt care what Boris says.
I sincerely hope that there will be no invasion. The Ukrainian people are being placed in a dreadful position.
I also hope that Russia has some way of controlling Putin.
2 million Russians living in Ukraine. About 4 thousand women and children have left to go to refugee camps in Russia in the past week or so.
In the past 2 weeks 5000 US troops have assembled in Poland close to the Russian border. All while Russia was saying their operation inside their own border was a manoeuvre.
Lets hope the Ukrainian leader and Putin can sit down and talk. They undoubtedly understand each other better than Boris understands either of them.
And No. None of that implies I support anything but peace.
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how come russia has plans for the biggest war in europe since 1945 but our clueless government hasn't?
Raheem
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Johnson's more interested in building bridges, although not necessarily metaphorical ones.
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