Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Yes, the DeValera culture of religious austerity really inspired Charlie Haughey to shag his fancy woman while lifting the bans on various examples of immoral literature.
Do you ever listen to yourself?
Historic defeat of Fianna Fail
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Yes, the DeValera culture of religious austerity really inspired Charlie Haughey to shag his fancy woman while lifting the bans on various examples of immoral literature.
Do you ever listen to yourself?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
That wasn't quite what I was talking about but you carry on.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Thanks for your responses. I've just learned something. 
It's hard to get a feel for another country's politics sometimes. Voting FF or FG, it seems, has quite complex social meanings. I remember someone trying to explain to me why people voted for the various virtually identical parties in Belgium, and I had similar problems. It isn't simple left/right there either.
Would I be right to say that the word 'conservative' means something different in Ireland from Britain – something less pro-business?
Also (sorry for all the questions), I presume Sinn Fein voters are left-wing broadly speaking. Why are people voting for them rather than the Socialist or Labour parties?
It's hard to get a feel for another country's politics sometimes. Voting FF or FG, it seems, has quite complex social meanings. I remember someone trying to explain to me why people voted for the various virtually identical parties in Belgium, and I had similar problems. It isn't simple left/right there either.
Would I be right to say that the word 'conservative' means something different in Ireland from Britain – something less pro-business?
Also (sorry for all the questions), I presume Sinn Fein voters are left-wing broadly speaking. Why are people voting for them rather than the Socialist or Labour parties?
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Amazing - Dublin South Central declared first count nearly an hour ago, they are now only transferring the vote of the bottom independent with 102 votes, but no result yet ... should take about 10 minutes in theory! Is it being counted by people with boxing gloves on ... or have they all gone to the bar!
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Or is something rotten in the state of Denmark?
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Finally declared it, 11 more votes for Joan Collins
, on to next elimination of Independent with 128 votes ... it's going to be a long night ...
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Thanks for your responses. I've just learned something.
It's hard to get a feel for another country's politics sometimes. Voting FF or FG, it seems, has quite complex social meanings. I remember someone trying to explain to me why people voted for the various virtually identical parties in Belgium, and I had similar problems. It isn't simple left/right there either.
Would I be right to say that the word 'conservative' means something different in Ireland from Britain – something less pro-business?
Also (sorry for all the questions), I presume Sinn Fein voters are left-wing broadly speaking. Why are people voting for them rather than the Socialist or Labour parties?
Cos Sinn Féin are a Republican party while Labour are cunts
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
I reckon Collins is safe. Labour have two quotas worth of votes, but FG only 1.5. Green vote (1031) will be eliminated early, but does depend a little on where FF vote goes (4,844) - assuming it goes all over the place then Collins should get in on fifth count. Likely result: Lab 2, SF 1, FG 1, ULA 1.
Iguana
Well-Known Member
When it comes to SF versus the socialists don't underestimate the fact that SF has a well oiled PR machine and a lot of money that the socialists just don't have. SF also has a historical link to Ireland which the socialists don't. Additionally the Irish media are unbelievably biased against the socialists, to the point of close to denying they exist. In Higgins past 2 terms as a TD he is almost always referred to as an independent. "8 independents (includingjoehiggins)" is the phrase I remember most from the 2002 election coverage. Even today TV3 was making reference to "15 independents (includingtheunitedleftalliance)." And currently on the RTE website the two SP TDs, Higgins and Daly are listed down below the independents.
http://www.rte.ie/news/election2011/results/index.html
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Hows my tenner at 4-1 for sinn fein to get 14 seats or more?
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Sudden rush on in Dublin South Central, couple more independents eliminated, Collins has gained 56 out of 373
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
12 certain, 15 possible ...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
If I win I am lumping it on a yes vote for AV
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Still eliminating independents in Dublin South Central (yawn!) but Joan Collins is coming out of it best ... she's up 79 votes now
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Still eliminating independents in Dublin South Central (yawn!) but Joan Collins is coming out of it best ... she's up 79 votes now
5 Independents eliminated so far, they're now doing the Christian Solidarity Party, to be followed by another two independents and the Green Party. I don't understand why they are not eliminating all four at once, as they can't get more than the lowest FG candidate... maybe they are and the RTE reporter has fallen asleep ...
Once they've got rid of the bottom 9 candidates are on to the FG candidates, it starts to get interesting!
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Dun Laoighre is a recount between Ivana Bacik and Richard BB. And maybe a Tory. I hate this but if I have to choose I choose Ivana. Apparently that makes me a reformist but hey ho.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Collins pulled ahead of Sinn Fein following elimination of last two independents and Green, and pulled further ahead after elimination of bottom FG and Labour candidates, winning the fourth seat on the final count (no 13). So ULA has four declared victors with Boyd Barrett in with a good chance following the recount. Those pillocks at RTE insist on counting three as "Others" and one as "Independents" though.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
The recount is to determine whether Bacik is eliminated as there are only 147 votes between her and Boyd Barrett. The Tory (FF's Hanafin) is actually ahead of both of them by 560 votes, but the assumption is that once one of Bacik and Boyd Barrett are eliminated, their transfers to each other will enable whoever is left to take the seat by overtaking Hanafin.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Looking like it's the double barrelled one to take it.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Interesting to see the transfers of the highest vote SP candidate who didn't win a seat:
Count 8 - Cork North Central
Elimination of Barry, Socialist Party - 5319 votes (4803 first preference)
SF + 2,564
Lab + 1,765
FG + 426
FF + 158
N/T + 406
Count 8 - Cork North Central
Elimination of Barry, Socialist Party - 5319 votes (4803 first preference)
SF + 2,564
Lab + 1,765
FG + 426
FF + 158
N/T + 406
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Yes and supporting Bacik over him does make you a fairly right wing reformist
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
On a knife edge, now at 13 but I'm struggling to see where seat 14 might come from ... Laois-Offaly looks one to watch.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Is Bacik even a reformist? She made her name as essentially the left-wing of the liberal agenda. Certainly her book on the social modernisation of Ireland didn't, AFAIK, deal with economic justice issues at all.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Dún Laoghaire recount is now underway ...
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Haughey and DeV were cut from the same cloth. Haughey talked about tightening our belts from his own private Island, while DeV's grandson still collects dividends from the Irish Press, a paper that shafted it's workers in the 1980s, and the general public when it was founded in the 1930s.
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