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Historic defeat of Fianna Fail

I've known several people who have met Harris in a variety of capacities, and not one of them has a good word to say about the man. . .
 
There was a great documentary about christy ring brought out a few years ago "ringy" and wasn't fuckin Harris the main talkin head on it:facepalm:
Doesn't he pretend he won the oscar for directing one flew over the cuckoos nest as well!
 
Interesting news three Irish politicians have formed a social democrats party, based on a Nordic model, repealing the 8th, and removing water chargers. I have a lot of respect for Donnelly and seem to be the only party I'd vote for if they run in my constituency
 
8den said:
Interesting news three Irish politicians have formed a social democrats party, based on a Nordic model, repealing the 8th, and removing water chargers. I have a lot of respect for Donnelly and seem to be the only party I'd vote for if they run in my constituency
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I saw that too, though I'd be a little bit more sceptical of them as they have yet to build a party. I don't think they'll really establish any roots outside of their constituencies, I'd be interested in seeing if they can remove the stigma attached to professional politicians and build something creditable or will they just be a left version of ReNua but with less press adulation.
 
flypanam said:
I saw that too, though I'd be a little bit more sceptical of them as they have yet to build a party. I don't think they'll really establish any roots outside of their constituencies, I'd be interested in seeing if they can remove the stigma attached to professional politicians and build something creditable or will they just be a left version of ReNua but with less press adulation.
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At least unlike Renua they have policies, and don't sound like a energy drink.
 
Limerick Red said:
There was a great documentary about christy ring brought out a few years ago "ringy" and wasn't fuckin Harris the main talkin head on it:facepalm:
Doesn't he pretend he won the oscar for directing one flew over the cuckoos nest as well!
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He claimed to have won the Silver Bear at the Berlin film festival. Then someone checked it out and there was no record of it. Which led to him claiming the Germans mustnt keep proper records .


Here's the twat going into full meltdown on live tv . Insisting the programme be stopped and re recorded because of the nasty things people were saying about Bertie ahern . Priceless when he's told it's going out live .

 
Pickman's model said:
i have never met him and that's the only good thing i can say about him.
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Sadly the reason why the bastard is in everything , on everywhere and still setting the agenda is due to the people who have met him . For example , he's a lecturer in screenwriting at the NationalFilm school . So , naturally enough , many who go on to be tv and film makers find it in their interests to be on the right side of him . Particularly if he and his chums at the indo will be reviewing their work .
Caden and Gerry Gregg are also in the business..with Harris...of tv documentary making . So he's usually either a talking head in front of the camera or setting the agenda behind it . And it's often both . And with their longtime RTE connections its little problem getting stuff commissioned . Such as the utterly unwatchable pile of steaming shite which was The Big Bow Wow...for example .

Now you might think there'd be checks and balances in the system that could rein him in a bit and prevent him from getting away with broadcasting whatever he felt like and presenting it as truth . But no. An example of that is how complaints were handled by RTE over one of his programmes that made completely outlandish claims that were easily refuted by any reasonable historian . The complaints were dismissed . And surprise surprise it turns out the board handling the complaints consisted of colleagues of Harris . His bloody mates .

This PDF tells you all you need to know about how Harris spreads his agenda in the media and how he gets away with it .

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments...orash_bai_16oct12_eoghan_harris_tost_fada.pdf
 
There is quite an hilarious passage in the uda book by Henry McDonald of a meeting between the UDA leadership and representives of the irish trades council , that for some bizarre reason was hosted at Harris' yard, it involved Harris going all out trying to impress the UDA lads with his anti republicanism, presenting them with a sword from the Somme etc. What a fuckin tool
 
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Limerick Red said:
There is quite an hilarious passage in the uda book by Henry McDonald book of a meeting between the UDA leadership and representives of the irish trades council , that for some bizarre reason was hosted at Harris' yard, it involved Harris going all out trying to impress the UDA lads with his anti republicanism, presenting them with a sword from the Somme etc. What a fuckin tool
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He went a lot further than that . While at RTE current affairs in the 70s and 80s he was instructing junior journalists covering the north to seek out UDA spokespersons and present their view as the " common sense " one . Loads of stuff like that . And got away with it for a long time by shouting " Provo " at anyone who disagreed with him . Which he still does . A notable recent occasion was when he shouted it at a guy who disagreed with him on some panel show . Turned out he was lifelong fine gaeler .

But that's what dominated the screens and print media under the section 31 edicts ...and still continues in a more snide form.the damage these handful of bozos have done to Irish democracy over the past 40 years is just staggering . The guy released a training paper to RTE journalists were he openly called factual reporting " media masturbation" , and lambasted journalists for any attempt to report facts as opposed to his message . He was their boss, and he hand picked many who went on to be the faces and voices on the national broadcaster . He's a cancer .
 
8den said:
At least unlike Renua they have policies, and don't sound like a energy drink.
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The "social democrats" are centrist business as usual politicians offering themselves for hire as junior coalition partners and creating a new vehicle for some of the many useless ex-Labour politicians knocking around the country. There's nothing to see here.
 
Limerick Red said:
Not to mention the Ned Stapleton cumann of the workers party, set up in RTE , while Harris was the main theoretician within the WP. Cunt of the highest order! You couldn't make someone like Harris up!
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He wasn't the main theoretician of the Workers Party, or even of its "industrial department". He was chief sidekick to Eamon Smullen.
 
Casually Red said:
Worth remembering its also their former workers party comrades who now run the labour party . And who brought these charges in in the first place .
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The ex-Workers Party / Democratic Left / New Agenda cohort do not run the Labour Party. All of them are retired or are retiring at the next General Election. There is no substantial political difference between the neo-liberal but socially liberal ex-DL people and the neo-liberal but socially liberal "old" Labour people anyway.

And not that it's particularly important, but there was significant personal antipathy between Harris and that group of people. They belonged to somewhat different factions in the Workers Party and even though they followed much the same rightward path as him (at least up to a certain point), they did so a few years later which didn't endear either side to the other.
 
Limerick Red said:
There is quite an hilarious passage in the uda book by Henry McDonald of a meeting between the UDA leadership and representives of the irish trades council , that for some bizarre reason was hosted at Harris' yard, it involved Harris going all out trying to impress the UDA lads with his anti republicanism, presenting them with a sword from the Somme etc. What a fuckin tool
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There was a much more sinister side to the Wp and it's flirtations with the UDA . This article by ed moloney relates how south of the border the workers party were able to make his articles on the activities...existence of...their military wing simply disappear from the Irish times without explanation . But north of the border they went further and tried to convince the UDA that moloney was a senior member of the INLA . To have him killed basically . For a journalist to cross Harris Workers party chums it could spell more than the end of their career .

http://thebrokenelbow.com/tag/eoghan-harris/


And a nice article here by Vincent Browne on we're the funding for Harris and greggs little media outfit originated, and the manner by which the WP were able to slant the news to a UDA standpoint .

http://politico.ie/archive/eoghan-harris-and-workers-party
 
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Casually Red said:
There was a much more sinister side to the Wp and it's flirtations with the UDA . This article by ed moloney relates how south of the border the workers party were able to make his articles on the activities...existence of...their military wing simply disappear from the Irish times without explanation . But north of the border they went further and tried to convince the UDA that moloney was a senior member of the INLA . To have him killed basically . For a journalist to cross Harris Workers party chums it could spell more than the end of their career .

http://thebrokenelbow.com/tag/eoghan-harris/


And a nice article here by Vincent Browne on we're the funding for Harris and greggs little media outfit originated, and the manner by which the WP were able to slant the news to a UDA standpoint .

http://politico.ie/archive/eoghan-harris-and-workers-party
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Will read when less ...tired and emotional.. Thanks though
 
Limerick Red said:
Without claiming to having read it, wasn't "Ireland's industrial revolution" a very influential document within the WP, so fair to say one of the main?
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Yes it was influential. It was also produced under Smullen's direction. Smullen was always the head honcho of the "industrial department", Harris the sidekick. Because Harris is a self-aggrandising self-publicist and Smullen is dead, this is often forgotten. Not by Harris, oddly enough - he generally acknowledges that Smullen was the guiding influence.
 
Casually Red said:
Eammon Gilmore led them for seven years .
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The ex-DL cohort rose to the top of the merged party because they were by far the most capable politicians in it. This does not mean that they were enormously capable, it means that the Labour parliamentary party was a wasteland. It also doesn't mean that they brought some alien political influence into Labour - the whole point of the merger was that both DL and Labour had arrived at mildly socially liberal neo-liberalism as their basic political stance already.
 
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