Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[Wilf]

This thread - and this moment - deserves better than hippipol's bile. Let's leave him to it.

 

[butchersapron]

Let's ignore him.

 

[brogdale]

I think it was actually Simon Heffer, despite Facebook posts claiming it was Johnson. Johnson signed off on it though as he was editor

Heffer confirmed that Johnson requested him to pen that piece. It was the editor's call.

 

[chilango]

Spent some time this afternoon reading about the lad from my school who was killed. It was hard. But worth doing to flesh out my memories of a kid who I only really remember now for speaking perfect French with a broad Scouse accent.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Heffer confirmed that Johnson requested him to pen that piece. It was the editor's call.

Heffer's pen though. Both culpable.

 

[TopCat]

Let's get the pair of them and Ingham as well.

 

[Coolfonz]

Yes it was
Hard to describe now how much luiverpool were both hated and blamed at this time
They have yet to properly grovel for this slaughter

You are nuts. Even back then anyone who went to football could see what had happened. Being crushed in pens was - amazingly - part of going to football at the time, I can personally vouch for that, burn marks on my forearms from fencing and so on. But this time the police opened the doors and just let everyone in, crushing people at the front to death. Anyone who understood football knew. It was nothing to do with Heysel. Just as Heysel was nothing to do with Rome the year before. You pathetic idiot.

 

[Libertad]

The first thoughts of me and my football going mates at the time was "Fuck, that could have been us". None of us blamed Liverpool we all knew that it was a stitch up.

eta Yeah and fuck off hipipol

 

[TopCat]

I was in a bookies on that day watching Roll A Joint win the Scottish Grand National and the Hillsborough match was on live. I watched people die. The bookies got full and people were opened mouthed with shock.

The very same day the lies started.

The week after Millwall were at home and given we had revolving razor spikes on the top of the fences we all knew it would have been worse if it happened at the Den. No one would have got out.
We had a right fucking tear up with the police that day. ACAB.

 

[ChrisD]

I have two thoughts:

1. It moves me to tears to think about the families fighting for 27 years. 27 years. I cannot put into words the respect I have for them.

2. 27 years for justice is a disgrace - the prosecutions of the police and others involved needs to take weeks and nor years

JFT96

It's a disgrace..... anyone else noticed coincidence of Nelson Mandela's prison time ?

 

[UrbaneFox]

no.

 

[marty21]

27 years , astonishing, I had just moved to London , I was 24 . I watched it in horror live on the telly at the place I was staying (Buckhurst Hill ) . Can't imagine what those families have been through , having to see the #scum lie about their kin folk , the Police lie , politicians lie , knowing it was being covered up. Set back after set back , getting knocked back and knocked back. Not being believed , not being able to properly grieve. Now finally they are believed officially.

 

[Coolfonz]

Also, please don't forget, Richard Littlejohn wrote a piece for the Evening Standard also blaming Liverpool fans. Can anyone find it somehow? His phone number was published in the Liverpool Echo a few days later.

 

[stethoscope]

Bit late to this having been unable to properly follow the news or post here all day, but fucking long last!

 

[stethoscope]

Also, please don't forget, Richard Littlejohn wrote a piece for the Evening Standard also blaming Liverpool fans. Can anyone find it somehow? His phone number was published in the Liverpool Echo a few days later.

Can't find Littlejohn's original piece, but check this fucking pile of toss he wrote in the Mail only a few years ago - short memory Dick?

Sorry seems to be the easiest word, Dave

 

[xes]

JFT96

Just seen the courthouse footage with the singing outside. Massive lump in my throat.

Now bring on the fucking prosectutions!!

 

[YouSir]

 

[LeslieB]

Am I the only person who can see the massive elephant in the room here?

By all means blame the police and not the 96 Liverpool fans who died. But the real cause of all this are people who acted like twats at football matches in the 70s and 80s. If it wasn't for them, there would have been no fences and no deaths.

 

[Callie]

Am I the only person who can see the massive elephant in the room here?

By all means blame the police and not the 96 Liverpool fans who died. But the real cause of all this are people who acted like twats at football matches in the 70s and 80s. If it wasn't for them, there would have been no fences and no deaths.

Fuck off

 

[LeslieB]

Fuck off

No, I won't fuck off. Please explain to me why those fences were there, if not as a result of twatish behaviour in the past?

 

[YouSir]

Am I the only person who can see the massive elephant in the room here?

By all means blame the police and not the 96 Liverpool fans who died. But the real cause of all this are people who acted like twats at football matches in the 70s and 80s. If it wasn't for them, there would have been no fences and no deaths.

I see a massive cunt in the room, but don't worry, I'm sure you'll leave soon enough.

 

[Favelado]

All I can say is that a day like this is a great one to show your true colours.

 

[Athos]

Am I the only person who can see the massive elephant in the room here?

By all means blame the police and not the 96 Liverpool fans who died. But the real cause of all this are people who acted like twats at football matches in the 70s and 80s. If it wasn't for them, there would have been no fences and no deaths.

Remoteness of causation, unforseeability of harm, and the absence of a duty of care make those people's culpability pale into insignificance next to the police's failings.

 

[Athos]

Oh, and don't be a dick.

 

[LeslieB]

I see a massive cunt in the room, but don't worry, I'm sure you'll leave soon enough.

No, I won't leave.

Please tell me why *you* think the fences at Hillsborough were there?

 

[Favelado]

No, I won't leave.

Please tell me why *you* think the fences at Hillsborough were there?

Give it a rest eh mate? Today's a celebration. Come on now. Instead of giving it the internet large, how about I just ask you nicely?

Would be nice to have one thread that can act as a record of a wonderful moment without descending into rubbish.

What do you say?

Please.

 

[stethoscope]

No, I won't fuck off. Please explain to me why those fences were there, if not as a result of twatish behaviour in the past?

Never mind the dead, never mind the state cover-up, never mind the police and media blaming football fans (which they saw then as 'working class scum'), never mind not properly dealing with the situation and those injured, never mind the fucking authorities changing witness statements and lying.

'but violent football fans!11!!'

Fuck off.

 

[Athos]

No, I won't leave.

Please tell me why *you* think the fences at Hillsborough were there?

Because the authorities were cavalier with football fans' safety, risking the death of the vast majority of ordinary fans by overreacting to the threat of misbehaviour by a minority.

Stop being a prick. Please.

 

[brogdale]

Watching C4 News with some grit in my eye, I think.

 

[LeslieB]

'but violent football fans!11!!'

No, violent *idiots*, not violent football fans.

Without them, there would have been no fences, surely?