Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[Pickman's model]

You may be surprised how many Wednesday fans are coppers!

no i wouldn't

 

[tommers]

Sadly still plenty on the local forums here in Sheff, wednesday fans mostly, blaming the fans in part.

Yep, same on ours as well. Some people are never going to change their minds sadly.

 

[Pickman's model]

grand news

 

[redchris]

Sadly still plenty on the local forums here in Sheff, wednesday fans mostly, blaming the fans in part.

I think many still hold this view. i spent 27 years arguing with my old man who somehow believed, and deep down probably still does, that our fans were largely responsible.

 

[butchersapron]

You can only win against those it's possible to win against. And this is a victory. It shows that challenging power does work if you do it right. And they did it right. By christ did they do it right.

 

[sojourner]

Wish I'd taken tomorrow off now. There's gonna be one fuck of a party in town tonight!

Wow. Fucking wow.

 

[DotCommunist]

27 years. Thats some fight. Result.

 

[gawkrodger]

How are we, the Hillsborough families, still standing? We took the power back | Julie Fallon

And there lies our real legacy, our real headline in history: “Hillsborough – the real truth”. We have paved the way for other ordinary, decent people in this country, who also find themselves in extraordinary circumstances of someone else’s making, to tread the path to truth and justice. We have swept the road before you, heaved boulders, checked for mines, swallowed dust, buried our dead at the roadside and, at times, crawled on our hands and knees, so that the path is now a little easier for you to walk on

 

[The Octagon]

Sadly still plenty on the local forums here in Sheff, wednesday fans mostly, blaming the fans in part.

Oh, and Liverpool as a 'victim city'

I think for some of them the lies have been repeated so often they're not interested in the truth (smoke without fire, etc), some of them are probably reflexively defending the club (even though it's not the same people and they should be able to separate the two).

Some are just twats.

As a Wednesday fan myself, this is great news and hopefully the beginning of real justice for the families. I also hope South Yorks Police are taken to the cleaners

JFT96

 

[redchris]

Cameron trying to score political points with his trite tweets. Fear not David, we won't forget this

Hillsborough families demand David Cameron explains insensitive comments

 

[DaveCinzano]

CPS statement:

CPS statement following Hillsborough inquests verdict

 

[marty21]

Huge respect for the family and friends of the 96 who campaigned for justice for so long .

 

[butchersapron]

CPS statement:

CPS statement following Hillsborough inquests verdict

So that's the end of the year at the very earliest - and the police and others have made dragging things out the basis for their involvement in Resolve. So we're looking at another year at best i think.

 

[brogdale]

Powerful summation of what this means for the families...

 

[Libertad]

Cameron trying to score political points with his trite tweets. Fear not David, we won't forget this

Hillsborough families demand David Cameron explains insensitive comments

10th September 2012 the cunt was reported as saying this:

DAVID Cameron was yesterday criticised for insensitive comments he made about Hillsborough.

The Prime Minister said victims’ relatives would never get over the 1989 disaster and likened them to a “blind man, in a dark room, looking for a black cat that isn’t there”.

The families also demanded that he explain remarks in which he complained about not getting enough credit for releasing secret government files on the tragedy.

Mr Cameron made the unguarded comments to a gathering of local newspaper journalists last week but they only emerged yesterday.

He said: “I don’t think we will ever achieve closure on Hillsborough. I don’t think there will ever be one moment when you can say ‘that’s it’.

“It’s like, what’s the saying, it’s like a blind man, in a dark room, looking for a black cat that isn’t there.”

 

[butchersapron]

10th September 2012 the cunt was reported as saying this:

2 days later the panel reported and he offered an apology on behalf of the state and some people bought it.

 

[butchersapron]

chilango - remember this?

 

[Winot]

Statement from South Yorkshire police just now on BBC R4 bizarrely hinting that the problem in 1989 was lack of modern communications systems. Andy Burnham currently ripping a large one in the police.

 

[brogdale]

To his credit Burnham has just thrown today's SYP 'apology' back in their face and reminded R4 listeners of their contesting and adversarial attitudes up to today. Well said.

 

[butchersapron]

To his credit Burnham has just thrown today's SYP 'apology' back in their face and reminded R4 listeners of their contesting and adversarial attitudes up to today. Well said.

You need only see what they offered in the inquest:

Duckenfield’s own barrister, John Beggs QC, an advocate instructed by police forces nationwide, pressed the case most forcefully that supporters had misbehaved, persistently introducing as context into his questioning notorious previous episodes of football hooliganism, his manner often repellent to the families attending.

But Beggs was not alone. The present-day South Yorkshire police force itself and the Police Federation also argued that Liverpool supporters outside the Leppings Lane end could be found to have contributed to the disaster because “a significant minority” were alleged to have been drunk and “non-compliant” with police orders to move back. Yet survivors gave evidence of chaos at the Leppings Lane approach, no atmosphere of drunkenness or misbehaviour, and no meaningful police activity to make orderly queueing possible in that nasty space.

 

[brogdale]

...and calls for prosecutions.

 

[butchersapron]

95 died or could have died after 3.15.

Everything is overturned. Nothing left standing now.

 

[chilango]

chilango - remember this?

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I don't. Before my time. I'm still trying to emotionally process the news right now.

 

[Wilf]

...and calls for prosecutions.

David Duckinfield will be desperately looking for Lord Janner's doctor's contact details.

 

[DaveCinzano]

South Yorks Police statement:

I want to make it absolutely clear that we unequivocally accept the verdict of unlawful killing and the wider findings reached by the jury in the Hillsborough Inquests.

On 15th April 1989, South Yorkshire Police got the policing of the FA cup semi-final at Hillsborough catastrophically wrong. It was and still is the biggest disaster in British sporting history. That day 96 people died and the lives of many others were changed forever. The force failed the victims and failed their families.

Today, as I have said before, I want to apologise unreservedly to the families and all those affected.

These inquests have been the longest inquests in British legal history with nearly 300 days of evidence heard. Whilst these have been lengthy and difficult proceedings, they have once and for all provided a fresh opportunity to explore all of the available evidence about what happened. This has enabled the jury to reach the verdicts that they have today.

The Hillsborough Disaster changed the way in which major sporting events are policed and very many lessons have been learnt. Today, with improvements in training, communications and technology, it is almost impossible to consider how the same set of circumstances could arise again today. We will now take time to carefully reflect on the implications of the verdicts.

We recognise that this is an important day for the families of those who died at the Hillsborough Disaster and for everyone affected by what happened. They have waited 27 years for this outcome. Our thoughts are with them.

Chief Constable responds to Hillsborough verdicts | South Yorkshire Police

 

[Libertad]

2 days later the panel reported and he offered an apology on behalf of the state and some people bought it.

Not in this house.

 

[Wilf]

If you want a textbook example of how ruling class attitudes and the collusion of several state agencies can lead to the death of 96 working class fans being unacknowledged for over a generation, this is (obviously) it. But thankfully it's also an example of what can be achieved if you dig in, keep going and fight for justice. Fantastic result for the families and community, even if this isn't quite the final battle.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I have two thoughts:

1. It moves me to tears to think about the families fighting for 27 years. 27 years. I cannot put into words the respect I have for them.

2. 27 years for justice is a disgrace - the prosecutions of the police and others involved needs to take weeks and nor years

JFT96

 

[brogdale]

...and calls for prosecutions.

Some transcript of that Burnham interview...

The question I’m asking is, how did something this simple take so long? ...

(On the verdicts): It exceeds anything that we could have expected. But it’s only what they deserve. This is justice for them. Their loved ones. Tonight, for the first time in 27 years, can rest in peace...

Now come accountability. Disgracefully, slurs have been thrown around in this courtroom about supporters of Liverpool football club. Disgracefully, the cover up has continued in this courtroom, Disgracefully, public money has been spent on those lies and putting these families through hell once again. I find that completely unacceptable.

People must be held to account for their actions. Prosecutions must follow.

Sound.

 

[TopCat]

In a meeting now with loads of plod. A single derogatory word and its toe to toe.