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IPCC speaking at #Hillsborough hearing. Now say 238 police statements possibly altered. 220 of them alive. 130 asked to interview, 57 done.

That's a huge leap on what they said before which was about 160 i think.
 
Now we find that west mids police covered up boxes and boxes of info that should have gone to the independent panel. Who'd have thought west mids and the SYP could do such a thing.
 
They didn't cover them up - they just failed to disclose them. And they reveal them now. I wonder, does this in any way put back the criminal investigations whilst they have to integrate this new evidence? Of course it does. And then the next fucking lot.
 
Why was this BBC footage not released before? Who ordered it not be released? On what grounds? What power do BBC licence payers have to challenge such behaviour if we're not told about it?
 
Don't know yet.

The instinct "fuck off, we're not handing over unbroadcast footage" is a good one, especially when possible criminal charges are involved.

You'd want them to resist handing over footage that could identify you as doing something on a protest or action. The BBC is (generally) fairly good at resisting until forced by the courts (see Dale Farm, where they won).

But whether that was in fact what was going on...
 
sleaterkinney said:
Only Royal and Sun alliance and the Liverpool law society refused. Did the panel not see this footage then?
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The BBC in their list of people they released it to do not mention the panel. Why are the BBC making a thing of releasing (to who?) unreleased footage? The Panel, by implication, say the BBC allowed "unrestricted access to their documents and other material." - but we don't know if this newly released material was part of that.
 
Philip Chevron of The Pogues, who died today, was also at Hillsborough as Forest fan. He wrote a piece on the event. I thought it a fitting wee tribute to add it to this thread here.
 
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And today's no longer shocking news:

Former officers shun Hillsborough interviews

Seven former police officers whose accounts of the 1989 Hillsborough tragedy were amended have refused to be interviewed by investigators leading a new inquiry.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission has so far interviewed 57 serving and former officers about their roles in the disaster, as part of the investigation which started a year ago.

In its latest update, deputy chairman Deborah Glass said the process of interviewing officers was taking longer, partly due to them giving fuller accounts than expected.

However she said seven retired South Yorkshire Police officers had refused to be interviewed. Only serving officers or suspects can be compelled to take part.
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So that's what, around 10% of them refusing so far? The criminal investigation that's running alongside this inquiry, i wonder if they are going to be a bit more persistent in their investigations.
 
In this part of the non-criminal investigation they can do that. Actually, in the criminal part they can do that as well. Whether they get to the stage of needing to do so in the latter is another question.
 
Curious:

Last Updated on Friday, 11 October 2013 11:09
HILLSBOROUGH INVESTIGATION - ASK YOUR QUESTIONS OF THE IPCC
We have been approached by the IPCC who are willing to prepare a Question and Answer type briefing for us based on any questions our members may have.

There will undoubtedly be some areas and questions they will not be able to cover.

If you have any questions you wish to put to the IPCC re the Hillsborough enquiry please submit them to depceo@narpo.org before the end of OCTOBER.
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From the National Association of Retired Police Officers.
 
I wonder why this doesn't apply to the inquest team?

Hillsborough: Freemason cops banned from working on criminal probe into cover-up

Police officers who are Freemasons have been banned from working on the criminal investigation into the Hillsborough cover-up.

The revelation adds weight to the theory that members of the secretive organisation suppressed the truth after 96 Liverpool fans died in 1989.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission took the unusual move after families of the football fans who died in the disaster demanded that no members of a lodge be involved.

All of the employees in the IPCC investigation have also been told they cannot be from South Yorkshire or Merseyside, where the tragedy occurred.

Former West Midlands Police officers have also been banned after their force carried out a review that led to the flawed inquest verdicts being quashed last year.
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Fedayn said:
Philip Chevron of The Pogues, who died today, was also at Hillsborough as Forest fan. He wrote a piece on the event. I thought it a fitting wee tribute to add it to this thread here.
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It was his funeral in Dub yesterday. Christy Moore payed tribute to him last night at the Phil in Liverpool. He did an haunting version of Faithful Departed. Apparently Chevron booked Christy Moore/Planxty to play a lunchtime gig at his school when he was 14 :D A great songwriter RIP.:cool:
 
brogdale said:
Got to ask...how many OB would that leave?
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It makes you wonder doesn't it. It's an interesting roundabout admittance that the force is riddled with masonry cliques. But then everyone's always knew about the brotherhood anyway. It's good though that the families have at least been granted this request but like Butchers I'll always be skeptical and pessimistic. It's fucking hard not to be:rolleyes:
 
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friedaweed said:
It makes you wonder doesn't it. It's an interesting roundabout admittance that the force is riddled with masonry cliques. But then everyone's always knew about the brotherhood anyway. It's good though that the families have at least been granted this request but like Butchers I'll always be skeptical and pessimistic. It's fucking hard not to be:rolleyes:
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I'm not sure how successful any attempt at exclusion will be, either, given that I'm not aware that it's compulsory for coppers to declare lodge membership.
 
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I'm not sure how successful any attempt at exclusion will be, either, given that I'm not aware that it's compulsory for coppers to declare lodge membership.
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I would imagine any plod getting involved in the investigation will be asked the question at the time but yeah you're right in that they don't normally have to declare membership. It's interesting though that the IPCC have put their necks out on it.
 
Hillsborough inquiry to be treated as manslaughter
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The police chief leading the criminal investigation into the Hillsborough disaster said he had the "nerve, honesty and integrity" to see justice is done.

John Stoddart, the former chief constable of Durham Police, told BBC North West Tonight's Roger Johnson he is treating the deaths of 96 Liverpool football fans in 1989 as a manslaughter inquiry.

Fresh inquests into the deaths are due to start next year.
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I can't quite tell - is this something, or just cutting the same old cloth afresh?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-24541402

Also, any prognosis on the transition from Glass to Cerfontyne?
 
The latter - it's just a 'could' and it's under the old rubric that requires there to be a single controlling mind behind the gross negligence manslaughter. This law was, of course, dumped because it proved impossible to successfully pursue any charges due to the almost total impossibility of the controlling mind scenario being proven.

Someone put a thought into my head earlier - given the police infiltration etc of the Lawrence, Alder and other campaigns, when are we going to hear about the first similar hillsborough related activity?
 
Amongst all the froth around Major's energy statement:-

4.07pm BST

Here's another line from the Major speech that I missed earlier.

John Major apologises to the Hillsborough families. He implies that they should have put less trust in the police. #pressgallery

— Andy McSmith (@andymcsmith) October 22, 2013
 
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