Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[Favelado]

There's a whole new stalling process going on isn't there? We had that euphoric period last autumn but it seems that the same old vested interests are regrouping.

 

[butchersapron]

There's a whole new stalling process going on isn't there? We had that euphoric period last autumn but it seems that the same old vested interests are regrouping.

It's what they do mate, they are so used to operating that way and getting away with it.

 

[butchersapron]

HJC not happy at Suarez using donations as get out of jail card. Not happy at all. Can't use them as cover.

Well out of order.

 

[butchersapron]

Today: the preliminary inquest about where and when to hold the new inquest opens - live reporting here. The IPCC seem to be arguing their own investigations need to wait until the inquests are done, and the other lot are saying they can't do the inquests until the IPCC reports.

 

[butchersapron]

There's a whole new stalling process going on isn't there? We had that euphoric period last autumn but it seems that the same old vested interests are regrouping.

C4 news:

Police Federation wants Hillsborough inquests on hold until after police investigation - could be years. Families mutter "disgrace".

 

[Favelado]

I'm just a wimpy social democrat by nature, getting closer and closer every day to to picking up a bayonet and becoming a violent revolutionary.

 

[butchersapron]

Police basically say they want a 2-3 year min delay.

 

[butchersapron]

Police fed also say they may well exercise right to silence once in the box when the inquest finally starts.

 

[Favelado]

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/hillsborough-investigation-update

The IPCC also said a small number of organisations and individuals had been resistant to disclosure of documents and the body is 'seeking further legal advice' to try to resolve these issues.

 

[laptop]

Police fed also say they may well exercise right to silence once in the box when the inquest finally starts.

I don't think the Fed have thought this through.

The prospect of a front page consisting of a gallery of all the cops who gave "no comment" non-evidence... not good for the Force. Not good at all.

So what's this bluff-card in play for?

 

[butchersapron]

I don't think the Fed have thought this through.

The prospect of a front page consisting of a gallery of all the cops who gave "no comment" non-evidence... not good for the Force. Not good at all.

So what's this bluff-card in play for?

Just delay delay delay.

Anyway, jan 2014 set for start date.

 

[Favelado]

Breaking: Lord Justice Goldring says full #Hillsborough inquest will NOT await outcome of the other investigations.”

@DebiMcMillan96​

 

[sleaterkinney]

Panorama is on bbc 1 now.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

New evidence - if I follow this correctly - off duty copper who gave mouth to mouth to Kevin Williams (who later died). There is now proof that the mouth to mouth happened after 3.30pm and that Kevin Williams was alive well after 3.15pm. The copper (can't remember name) has now complained to IPCC about how his evidence was handled/ignored.

 

[brogdale]

Good job done by Peter Marshall; the last few sentences simply summed up the whole thing.

 

[butchersapron]

Generally a well done program, so i hate to make what may look like a petty point, but he ended by saying that powers that be "allowed a cover-up to happen" - they didn't, they took part in the cover up. That makes so much difference as it gets rid of the idea of the state as honest broker who simply had cops run rings round it and explains why there was and still i such mistrust of all in authority.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Spot on - and not a petty point to make in the circumstances.

 

[JimW]

Just watched the Panorama and agree that's a fair point from butchers. Marshall's not followed the logic of his own revelations about directions to those conducting the various inquiries and so on.

 

[butchersapron]

Second preliminary hearing in the process of new inquests starts today. Home Office refusing to release funding manpower or other resources to the new inquests/investigation for the last 3 or so months. New Inquests to be heard by a jury under section two of the European Human Rights. Overview of progress in september. Family say obstruction and deliberate stringing along taking place and the timetable laid out earlier (already criticised for being needlessly extended and oen to manipulation and delaying tactics) is now under serious threat.

Edit: oh yeah, the police lawyers have told the hearing that Independent Panel who produced the report that this thread is about was biased against them and in favour of the family and working to a hidden agenda. They are never going to give up are they? Scumbags.

 

[sojourner]

They are never going to give up are they? Scumbags.

Nope

 

[butchersapron]

The Star - surprisingly, the only paper still digging away at this - seem to have a story on the way about the police withholding files from the independent panel then lying about doing so.

 

[Favelado]

The Star - surprisingly, the only paper still digging away at this - seem to have a story on the way about the police withholding files from the independent panel then lying about doing so.

I'm hoping David Conn will get back on this because he did seem to really care. It's time for yet another redoubling of efforts and I'm sure everyone associated with LFC will do their best to keep this on the agenda. I'm worried about politicians and media parking the whole thing again though.

 

[brogdale]

Official complaint made against Crompton about his 'lying' email...

South Yorkshire PCC Shaun Wright said he has received a complaint regarding the content of emails sent by South Yorkshire chief David Crompton.
Mr Crompton sent a message to his senior staff last year which appeared to suggest a campaign group representing families of those who died was not telling the full truth about the 1989 tragedy.
The email read: ''One thing is certain - the Hillsborough Campaign for Justice will be doing their version ... in fact their version of certain events has become 'the truth' even though it isn't!!
''I just have the feeling that the media 'machine' favours the families and not us, so we need to be a bit more innovative in our response to have a fighting chance otherwise we will just be roadkill.''
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...hief-email-probe_n_3443077.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

...and that email was sent in 2012.

So what has the PCC done about this complaint? Yes, that's right, got another copper to investigate:-

Mr Wright said the chief constable of Cambridgeshire, Simon Parr , will now investigate.

Meanwhile Crompton bleats that he's already apologised, hasn't he?

 

[butchersapron]

Well spotted. There is out for the families, no one they can appoint...and who will fund this new one and who won't get funding or with ridiculous terms

 

[William of Walworth]

Late to catch up with this, but some excellent points above.

 

[butchersapron]

Hmmmm

Hillsborough documents found by West Midlands Police

Documents relating to the Hillsborough stadium disaster have been found in storage at a police headquarters.

West Midlands Police, which investigated South Yorkshire officers' conduct after the 1989 deaths, said it had uncovered "two items of material".

The documents, which include witness statements, are now at the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

The West Midlands force said it had no reason to believe the documents were not given to previous inquiries.

It said the newly-found items may be copies of documents already seen by investigators.

New inquest

 

[DotCommunist]

makes a change from losing evidence.

what arse covering is hoped to be gained by this one wonders

 

[butchersapron]

The Star still keeping at it when others have melted away:

POLICE CHIEF SIR NORMAN BETTISON COPS MORE FLACK OVER HILLSBOROUGH

SIR Norman Bettison is facing fresh questions over Hillsborough – after it emerged he begged his staff to “deflect” a story that put the “spotlight” on him.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Related:

Ex-West Yorkshire police chief referred to IPCC over Lawrence allegations

Sir Norman Bettison is referred to IPCC amid fears officers tried to discredit members of murdered teenager's family

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk-news/2013/jul/03/ex-police-chief-ipcc-lawrence-allegations?CMP=twt_gu

 

[butchersapron]

Little more: Norman Bettison 'had smear file' on anti-racist campaigner

A man decorated for his community work has been officially informed that he was the potential victim of an alleged smear campaign orchestrated by the former police chief Sir Norman Bettison, as he prepared to publicly back the Stephen Lawrence family's campaign for racial justice.