Helicopter crashes into glasgow pub

[Buddy Bradley]

Somebody on another board was saying the helicopter wasnt even autorotatimg which is helicopter speak for emergancy glider so might have been a main drive failure in which case you turn into a stone and you go straight down with nothing you can do

You'd expect many more deaths if it had just dropped out of the sky. A lot of the eyewitness accounts, about the band playing on after a bang, make me think maybe it landed successfully on the roof, but the roof wasn't strong enough to hold it and it fell through.

 

[xes]

You'd expect many more deaths if it had just dropped out of the sky. A lot of the eyewitness accounts, about the band playing on after a bang, make me think maybe it landed successfully on the roof, but the roof wasn't strong enough to hold it and it fell through.

I got that impression too, but then the guy who was getting in his car on top of the multi story contradicted it. Said it sounded like a car backfiring, and the blades weren't rotating. (a guy last night on sky news)

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Said it sounded like a car backfiring, and the blades weren't rotating. (a guy last night on sky news)

Yeah, but unreliable witness memory yadda yadda (and Sky News ). Still think it would look more like a bomb had gone off if it had just stopped dead.

 

[weepiper]

If anyone in Glasgow is sitting feeling helpless and wanting to do something the blood bank's just opened for the day.

http://www.scotblood.co.uk/glasgow.aspx

Apparently all their slots are now fully booked for today.

 

[xes]

oh yeah, I agree with you. Someone inside the pub said the roof was dipping in, and then there was loads of dust. Doesn't sound like it pummeted in from high up.

 

[weepiper]

oh yeah, I agree with you. Someone inside the pub said the roof was dipping in, and then there was loads of dust. Doesn't sound like it pummeted in from high up.

The interior of the pub is all wooden panelling with big thick beams across the ceiling, it's not like a plasterboard affair. Don't know if that really makes any difference though.

 

[Casually Red]

Fortunately, special effects people have to work hard to get those fireballs you're used to from the moving pictures.

It could have, and empty tanks would be more likely to go "whoomp" than full. Lucky it didn't.

its most likely its fuel tanks are fitted with flame retardant foam, which activates once the aircraft experiences a major jolt

 

[Buckaroo]

Speak truth to idiots, apparently...

Yeah that's it. Disappear up your arse ...apparently

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

Terrible news

 

[weepiper]

The editor of the Scottish Sun on BBC news 24 now saying he saw it falling out of the sky from the multi storey carpark he was in 'tumbling nose over tail'.

 

[weepiper]

Seen people who were in there now saying the roof collapsed right onto the bar, trapping people beneath it.

 

[treelover]

awful news.

One slightly off topic , although he was obviously very distressed and had helped injured people, it was very strange to see and especially hear someone, Jim Murphy M.P(former NUS leader who sold us out on student loans, welfare minister, etc) who is usually very political/contrived in his language, as a normal human being, its twenty years since I have seen him like that.

 

[Tankus]

This isn't the time and place but I thought I'd just flag this post as a grossly crass attempt to manufacture political capital from a genuine emergency. Really poor form and for all those who supported it, seriously this is your response?

.........

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond said in a statement last night: 'Our thoughts are with everyone involved with the incident in Glasgow.

'The emergency services were on the scene within minutes, the rescue efforts are still in full operation and the Scottish Government's resilience operation is now mobilised.'

David Cameron and Ed Miliband have also taken to the social media site to express their concern for those caught up in the horrific incident.

..
From the daily fail ........sorry

Tweets were in before all the emergency units turned up
Thinking of their families , heart goes out , thoughts are with......etc

Probably posted by their spads from a stock generic response , yep... poor..at best ....cynical attempt at ownership for political gain at the worst.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

How about this absolute cretin commenting on the Mail story.

ABC DEFG, England, United Kingdom, 40 minutes ago
Can they not work out how many are dead so far - why the different figures everywhere. It is chaos the police don't know what they are doing. Who will investigate this - themselves?

 

[weepiper]

From the BBC ticker

Rev Gordon Armstrong, Church of Scotland chaplain to the Fire and Rescue service who was on the scene after the crash, said: "For the emergency services it was personal too as some of their own were among the casualties. You could see from their physical demeanour how they felt. There was a sense of there but for the grace of God go any of us.

"The devastation was confined to the pub probably because in his last few seconds the pilot managed to switch off the engines and the fuel supply. There was no explosion, no fireball, no devastation in the street. It was bad but it could have been a bigger disaster."

Guy's a hero if this is the case.

 

[Fedayn]

From the BBC ticker
Guy's a hero if this is the case.

One of my mates, who weepiper has met, is a firey at nearby Calton fire station, he finished his shift last night at 6 and The Clutha was a regular for a few on his shift before going home. They didn't go there last night but it is popular with a few from that station.

 

[weepiper]

One of my mates, who weepiper has met, is a firey at nearby Calton fire station, he finished his shift last night at 6 and The Clutha was a regular for a few on his shift before going home. They didn't go there last night but it is popular with a few from that station.

I've been wondering about him (and his brother). Glad they are ok.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Somebody on another board was saying the helicopter wasnt even autorotatimg which is helicopter speak for emergancy glider so might have been a main drive failure in which case you turn into a stone and you go straight down with nothing you can do

Autorotation relies on the transmission being able to "freewheel". If the gearbox failed, then they were pretty much fucked. The best the pilot would be able to do is to tilt the rotors to hopefully make the descent a little shallower.

 

[ViolentPanda]

This isn't the time and place but I thought I'd just flag this post as a grossly crass attempt to manufacture political capital from a genuine emergency. Really poor form and for all those who supported it, seriously this is your response?

He's being ironic, you fuckwit. He works in the NHS, so is more than slightly aware of the real implications of the situation.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Pompous bollocks. It's nothing of the sort but a comment about stuff. 'Grossly crass attempt to manufacture political capital blah blah'. Seriously, is that your response to that response?

It's Diamond. He's a fuckwit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Speak truth to idiots, apparently...

Whereas you're a speaking idiot who doesn't know the meaning of truth.

 

[weepiper]

Can we not have a pointscorey row on this thread please

 

[ViolentPanda]

its most likely its fuel tanks are fitted with flame retardant foam, which activates once the aircraft experiences a major jolt

There's generally a kind of honeycomb mesh in the tanks, which helps limit ignition of fuel vapour in the tanks. Most fuel "explosions" are caused by tanks rupturing, and fuel vapour igniting outside the tanks.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The editor of the Scottish Sun on BBC news 24 now saying he saw it falling out of the sky from the multi storey carpark he was in 'tumbling nose over tail'.

All the weight is at one end of a copter. I have a feeling the Sun ed may have taken some mescaline, if he saw it tumble nose over tail. Even with the torque from spinning rotors, it'd be really difficult for that to happen. Now, spinning horizontally, end to end, that would be more likely!

 

[weepiper]

All the weight is at one end of a copter. I have a feeling the Sun ed may have taken some mescaline, if he saw it tumble nose over tail. Even with the torque from spinning rotors, it'd be really difficult for that to happen. Now, spinning horizontally, end to end, that would be more likely!

The wreckage appears to be basically upside down.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

The wreckage appears to be basically upside down.

Pure speculation on my part, but perhaps it landed on the roof the right way up, but as the roof collapsed it tumbled over to the position it is in now. I presume the investigation will work out exactly what happened, especially if helicopters have black boxes like planes (do they?).

It must be awful for those who have friends or relatives trapped inside. They must be going through hell worrying about whether they are OK.

 

[Corax]

All the weight is at one end of a copter. I have a feeling the Sun ed may have taken some mescaline, if he saw it tumble nose over tail. Even with the torque from spinning rotors, it'd be really difficult for that to happen. Now, spinning horizontally, end to end, that would be more likely!

I commented on taking "eyewitness accounts" as gospel earlier. It's really quite odd how unreliable people's memories can be in this kind of situation. Well documented/researched these days though.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I commented on taking "eyewitness accounts" as gospel earlier. It's really quite odd how unreliable people's memories can be in this kind of situation. Well documented/researched these days though.

Well, to be fair it's not at all odd - people recall not only what they saw, but (subconsciously) what they believe their interlocuters wants them to have seen - what's odd is that there's an expectation for memories to be uniform, when memory isn't like a video tape, it's actually deeply contextual, linked to what was also happening at the same time, and the emotions they were experiencing.

 

[Corax]

Well, to be fair it's not at all odd - people recall not only what they saw, but (subconsciously) what they believe their interlocuters wants them to have seen - what's odd is that there's an expectation for memories to be uniform, when memory isn't like a video tape, it's actually deeply contextual, linked to what was also happening at the same time, and the emotions they were experiencing.

Sure - By "odd" I meant non-intuitive etc, rather than unusual or suspicious.

And by "non-intuitive", I mean for a person who's never pondered the workings of mind and memory, rather than someone who's paid an interest to it!

 

[el-ahrairah]

it seems lots of people here have connections to that place in one way or another. i hope no-one anyone knows is involved. thoughts are with youse.