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Helicopter crashes into glasgow pub

it seems lots of people here have connections to that place in one way or another. i hope no-one anyone knows is involved. thoughts are with youse.

There's 3 pubs in a 'triangle', The Scotia Bar, The Victoria Bar and the Clutha Vaults. All 3 have a certain rep as left-leaning, folk/live music old working class bars. Many people, myself and a lot of politically active mates included, spent many many happy times in all 3 pubs. The 3 pubs are very well known in the city.
 
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There's generally a kind of honeycomb mesh in the tanks, which helps limit ignition of fuel vapour in the tanks. Most fuel "explosions" are caused by tanks rupturing, and fuel vapour igniting outside the tanks.

Ah, that'd be more sensible than active retardant release. Could be awkward it that went off at the wrong moment...
 
All the weight is at one end of a copter. I have a feeling the Sun ed may have taken some mescaline, if he saw it tumble nose over tail. Even with the torque from spinning rotors, it'd be really difficult for that to happen. Now, spinning horizontally, end to end, that would be more likely!

Betcha he doesn't know the difference between pitch, roll and yaw...



E2A: In English - it's quite possible he thinks "end over end" is a polite form of "arse over tit" and it's not occurred to him that anyone's interested in the difference between the tail going over the nose, vice versa, the port side going over the starboard side, or whatever.
 
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I saw this flag up as news last night but had no idea it had crashed into a pub with a gig playing until this morning. Absolutely awful news. It did warm my heart tho hearing stories of how fellow Glaswegians went immediately to help people trapped inside
 
it seems lots of people here have connections to that place in one way or another. i hope no-one anyone knows is involved.

Indeed. I was at a party the weekend after 7/7 and two guests only popped by to say a quick hello and goodbye because they were on their way to identify a body...
 
Latest statement from the police seems to be that 8 are confirmed dead, with 14 who have received very serious injuries. Press conference apparently due to begin shortly. :(
 
I hope everyone on here and around them is alright. As fed said above this is the pub that a lot of people would have frequented in our circles :(
My regular sat afternoon music bar. Had many a fine summer evening talking and singing I the beer garden.

I haven't had the chance to read the thread yet. Tragic news.

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8 deaths now confirmed by Police Scotland, with 14 seriously injured still being treated in hospital.
 
Ah, that'd be more sensible than active retardant release. Could be awkward it that went off at the wrong moment...


some..at least...british military helicopters are fitted with flame retardant foam as well as self sealing fuel tanks . If the tank is ruptured either by projectile or crash the fuel leaks into a gel coating, which expands on contact with the fuel and thereby seals the gap. That can take a wee bit of time before it seals and cuts off the fuel leak , so an immediate dose of flame retardant foam is needed to ensure no flamey stuff. Or so I heard, cant remember where now.
 
Awful awful news - at a pub that any one of us could have been in if we were in Glasgow for live music and the craick. Heartfelt sadness for all involved, survivors and loved ones, and those poor devils who were not so lucky.

Helicopters can be guided down reasonably gently on engine failure providing adequate altitude and airspeed have been achieved.

Perhaps this one was hovering quite low when something catastrophic occurred?
 
Horrendous news :(

Someone mentioned a guy, interviewed outside, who knew his father was inside. Had to leave just he started speaking on the news, couldn't get it out if my head. What was he saying? I know it wasn't immediately afterward, was he hopeful? Couldn't imagine being his postion tbh and won't watch it now.


I understand people giving eyewitness accounts to the media but for the vultures to put relatives of potential casualties/fatalaties stinks to me:mad:.
You could be standing there ranting any shit your "in shock" brain fires to your mouth unfiltered. Then they run it four times an hour 'til they get bored of that piece.

Sorry but i felt the above bit had to be said, that's coming from a tit who was made crass jokes (not about what happened) earlier in the thread.
Though i can say i hang my head in shame, they'll defend their position.
 
I understand people giving eyewitness accounts to the media but for the vultures to put relatives of potential casualties/fatalaties stinks to me:mad:.
You could be standing there ranting any shit your "in shock" brain fires to your mouth unfiltered. Then they run it four times an hour 'til they get bored of that piece.

I had the same thought this afternoon.

I did see one reporter stop the interview with tears in her eyes and say ''actually we'll end the interview now as I can see you are very shocked....'' Which I thought was the act of a good egg.
 
I had the same thought this afternoon.

I did see one reporter stop the interview with tears in her eyes and say ''actually we'll end the interview now as I can see you are very shocked....'' Which I thought was the act of a good egg.

More repsect to her then, i'm sure many in her profession would've lauded in dragging out any heartache on display.

Never watched that interview i mentioned but just saw the same on the news and he said he knew his father was dead, as soon as he saw exactly where
it went through. Still checked all the hospitals repeatedly and his phone is off, now just waiting for the confirmation.
Heart wrenching when he said a firemen mentioned there was bodies in the bar and he offered to go in as he's probably be able to identify them:(
Sickened after that.
 
Decent programme on 5live just now. Not at all sensationalising anything, mostly just letting folk who were there talk about it, with kind words from the presenter when needed. Radio seems to me to a better medium than TV for that sort of thing.
 
This isn't the time and place but I thought I'd just flag this post as a grossly crass attempt to manufacture political capital from a genuine emergency. Really poor form and for all those who supported it, seriously this is your response?

It's worth remembering the inevitable consequences if current policy is continued. Following the Boston marathon bombings victims of terrorism maimed for life were forced to beg for charity to pay medical costs through fundraisers, September 11th first responders have been financially bankrupted by the life long medical costs because of their bravery.
 
All the weight is at one end of a copter. I have a feeling the Sun ed may have taken some mescaline, if he saw it tumble nose over tail. Even with the torque from spinning rotors, it'd be really difficult for that to happen. Now, spinning horizontally, end to end, that would be more likely!

If the main fan packs up and the tail rotor keeps going it could give a nose over tail effect. Not sure how likely that is though.
 
A guy on another forum I use was friends with the pilot - went through Iraq together, and left the military to do civilian flying because it was safer :(
 
One of the dead has now been named.
seems odd that it's only one. They must know the names of the ones in the helicopter and at least one of the others in the pub is basically certain. A friend of several friends that one, the fella whose son was interviewed a few times :(
 
Yes but isn't it down to making sure family members have been traced and informed before everyone else via the news?

And I think bodies have to be identified first too. So if that guy is still in the pub...
 
seems odd that it's only one. They must know the names of the ones in the helicopter and at least one of the others in the pub is basically certain. A friend of several friends that one, the fella whose son was interviewed a few times :(

They most likely know who a lot of the dead are but families need to be notified and bodies formally identified before names are released. That can take time especially if the bodies are badly damaged.
 
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