Has the Queen died?

[ouirdeaux]

People's lifespan hasn't changed all that much over recent centuries. The oft-quoted statement about the average age at death being 30 or 40 or whatever in the 1800s is pretty much meaningless, because there were probably very few people who died at around that age compared to most others. What kept the average down was the massive child mortality rate, supplemented by relatively high (by our standards) numbers of deaths in childbirth or in war, depending on sex. If you managed to survive childhood and early adulthood, you had a fair chance of reaching your (Biblical, so rather old) threescore and ten.

 

[tim]

I have no idea what that means.


96 not out is a pretty good innings, regardless of whether you know some people who are older or not.

It doesn’t make much sense to make value judgements on their relative longevity unless you’re comparing to contemporaneous average lifespans. To me, 81 seems quite a long lifespan for the time in which they lived.

If you don't know what Lamarckian means why didn't you Google the term. That's what I do on the frequent occasions I come across a concept on these boards that I am unfamiliar with.

Lamarckism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

As I said before 96 is a good innings but not exceptional. She had one sibling who died much younger. Her mother had a good innings too. This is not particularly surprising as their health is closely monitored and they have access to the best healthcare facilities. Their is no reason, at all, to assume that this is genetically determined.

We'll two of them lived to 81 the rest died younger, and that doesn't take into account the elder siblings and cousins whose lives ended much earlier. There were plenty of elder brothers who didn't make it to the throne.

Life expectancy figures from the past can be deceptive. Lots of people never made it past childhood and childbirth, epidemics and accidents would have shortened the lives of others. However, even amongst the poor a fair proportion made it into their 70s and 80s as was the case with royals.

 

[Sue]

Scottish support for monarchy falls to 45%, poll reveals

Widening rift on retaining the royals is revealed ahead of Queen’s platinum jubilee

www.theguardian.com

 

[spitfire]

Today.

 

[teqniq]

Scottish support for monarchy falls to 45%, poll reveals

Widening rift on retaining the royals is revealed ahead of Queen’s platinum jubilee

www.theguardian.com

Good. But 45% is still way too much imo. People are overly deferential to the parasites.

 

[Sue]

Good. but 45% is still way too much imo. People are overly deferential to the parasites.

Oh, I agree. But it's a start.

 

[tim]

Today.

Not according to the Guardian or BBC, I nearly missed my stop ( Clapham Junction) because of you.

 

[spitfire]

Not according to the Guardian or BBC, I nearly missed my stop ( Clapham Junction) because of you.

I didn’t say now. Later.

 

[tim]

I didn’t say now. Later.

You'd better be right. Otherwise I shall get very cross.

 

[spitfire]

I feel it in my bones.

 

[MickiQ]

Good. But 45% is still way too much imo. People are overly deferential to the parasites.

I think the reign of King Chucky will bring it down further both at home and in the Commonwealth, by the end of his reign I think it's safe to assume that certainly Jamaica and a few others will have become republics. Canada and Australia are the big ones once one of them goes the rest will be like dominos.
The problem with Chucky is his age, he won't be on the throne long enough for abolition to build up enought steam so we will get to see King Billy the Bald but I still have hope he truly will be the last.

 

[MrCurry]

If you don't know what Lamarckian means why didn't you Google the term.

Laziness and lack of interest

As I said before 96 is a good innings but not exceptional. She had one sibling who died much younger. Her mother had a good innings too. This is not particularly surprising as their health is closely monitored and they have access to the best healthcare facilities. Their is no reason, at all, to assume that this is genetically determined.

We'll two of them lived to 81 the rest died younger, and that doesn't take into account the elder siblings and cousins whose lives ended much earlier. There were plenty of elder brothers who didn't make it to the throne.

Life expectancy figures from the past can be deceptive. Lots of people never made it past childhood and childbirth, epidemics and accidents would have shortened the lives of others. However, even amongst the poor a fair proportion made it into their 70s and 80s as was the case with royals.

I don’t really accept your assertion that the royals aren’t living especially long, and I haven’t assumed this is genetically predetermined, just speculated that it might be a factor. If you feel differently, that’s fine with me

 

[ska invita]

obscene hand gestures lol

 

[Ax^]

When you see how long these royals live for, you’ve got to wonder what medical treatments they’re getting which could similarly benefit the rest of us, in terms of longevity. Or is it down to many generations of superior nutrition, encoded into those inbred genes?

it the gin mostly

 

[klang]

There’s no magic. It’s in the posting tools. Click the three dots next to the italic symbol and it all appears.

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Are you sure you want to introduce WoW to more colours for his posts?

 

[klang]

Good. But 45% is still way too much imo. People are overly deferential to the parasites.

quite surprised it was more than 45% before....

 

[klang]

When you see how long these royals live for, you’ve got to wonder what medical treatments they’re getting which could similarly benefit the rest of us, in terms of longevity

my gran-in-law died a few months ago at the age of 103. Her secret? Living on her own in the jungle till the age of 101.

 

[danny la rouge]

Are you sure you want to introduce WoW to more colours for his posts?

Yes, yes I do. Let there be a thousand blossoms bloom as far as I am concerned.

But I ain't spending any time on it because in the meantime, every three months, a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile in north Queensland.

 

[klang]

Yes, yes I do. Let there be a thousand blossoms bloom as far as I am concerned.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

It's been rumoured for years that he'll take George VII because , well, you don't need to know much British (or specifically Scottish) history to know the potential problems with using Charles III.

I was vaguely aware that he might choose a different name, but I didn't pay much attention to history lessons, I'm afraid, so I don't know what the problems are with him being called King Charles.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was vaguely aware that he might choose a different name, but I didn't pay much attention to history lessons, I'm afraid, so I don't know what the problems are with him being called King Charles.

bonnie prince charlie

 

[platinumsage]

bonnie prince charlie

If that's a concern rest assured that George VII of Imereti was twice deposed, then exiled and assassinated.

 

[danny la rouge]

I was vaguely aware that he might choose a different name, but I didn't pay much attention to history lessons, I'm afraid, so I don't know what the problems are with him being called King Charles.

The name also has happier connotations.

Execution of Charles I - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

The name also has happier connotations.

Execution of Charles I - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ah, all the Oliver Cromwell stuff that I was vaguely aware of but paid no attention to. Thank you.

It's not like he'd directly follow the executed Charles I, though, there was a Charles II, so he'd be Charles III?

And if there are problems with the name Charles on that basis, surely George is problematic too? I mean, the last King George only became King George VI because his brother abdicated, so the last King George wasn't born to be king. Does Charles want to bear the sort of comparison with a King George who should never really have been king at all. (Like many think Charles shouldn't become king on the death of Elizabeth II and it should skip a generation.)

 

[Calamity1971]

obscene hand gestures lol

 

[AmateurAgitator]

obscene hand gestures lol

The right wing media are all triggered coz the fans were not booing players taking the knee but something they hold dear. Snowflake hypocrits. So much for 'free speech.'

 

[brogdale]

Today.

Big call.

 

[tim]

Should the House of Cambridge come a cropper in an unfortunate helicopter mishap, I would hope that the happy beneficiary would chose the regnal name Henry IX regardless of any possible stigma.

It would be like having proper old-fashioned monarchs again. Particularly, with Andrew of York lurking in the background waiting for his chance. Whoever cane out on top, I would imagine that Edward of Wessex would steer clear of vats if Duchy Original wine

 

[Dystopiary]

That booing exceeded my expectations. Brilliant.

 

[Santino]

If the Royal Family would agree to constantly murder and betray each other for the Crown, that's a monarchy I could get behind.