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The case brought by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission now adjourned as it appeasr the BNP didn't instruct their soliciters until tuesay night (they ended up having to pay the costs because of this). Might suggest some internal dispute other whether tol fight the case or not - Griffin seems to think not and has pointed otu that new Equality bill will "simply and unavoidably ban any political party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity". I suspect that he doesn't want the expense of a long defence. Story
 
butchersapron said:
The case brought by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission now adjourned as it appeasr the BNP didn't instruct their soliciters until tuesay night (they ended up having to pay the costs because of this). Might suggest some internal dispute other whether tol fight the case or not - Griffin seems to think not and has pointed otu that new Equality bill will "simply and unavoidably ban any political party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity". I suspect that he doesn't want the expense of a long defence. Story
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The BNP is dropping it's whites only membership policy and is now concentrating on rewriting it's constitution to facilitate non-white membership within a matter of weeks.

It's carefully worded on the BNP website, you wouldn't think of it as a big story, but that is the bottom line...the BNP membership will be open to all within a matter of weeks.
 
BalhamCloud said:
...the BNP membership will be open to all within a matter of weeks.
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So what? They'll easily find some way to swerve round the implications. It's not like the BNP is a golf club is it?

This is just like the publicity surrounding the publishing of the membership list. 'Worth 30 years of anti-fascism' and so on from some witless twerps on here. The BNP's imminent demise was predicted. Well we all know what happened next.
 
BalhamCloud said:
The BNP is dropping it's whites only membership policy and is now concentrating on rewriting it's constitution to facilitate non-white membership within a matter of weeks.

It's carefully worded on the BNP website, you wouldn't think of it as a big story, but that is the bottom line...the BNP membership will be open to all within a matter of weeks.
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So the BNP will, in a matter of weeks, be able to declare, with the full weight of the law behind them, and with the successor body to the Commision for Racial Equality supporting them, that they are not a racist party. What a victory.
 
butchersapron said:
So the BNP will, in a matter of weeks, be able to declare, with the full weight of the law behind them, and with the successor body to the Commision for Racial Equality supporting them, that they are not a racist party. What a victory.
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Yep, it's the BNP's most overt forms of racism, like their stupid as fuck aryan membership policy, that stand in the way of their goose march toward the mainstream. The EHRC have really scored an own goal here.
 
There was talk of organising a sort of mass-joining & takeover thingy, once the race-based membership rule is scrapped, and then sort of reforming the BNP into something its opponents don't mind or just disbanding it.

I don't know whether anyone will try such a thing, but a few things occur to me.

1. The BNP saw this legal challenge coming a long time ago and not everyone in the BNP can be as daft as that silly young man, Lee Somebody-or-other (Barnes?), who blathers on semi-literately about legal stuff and has a law degree from Kent. I think the BNP leadership had probably decided long ago how to deal with this challenge. They are prepared.

2. It will be interesting to see if anyone does try the takeover thingy and, if anyone does try to organise it, whether there will be many volunteers to join. My hunch is that, though lots of people hate the BNP, and the idea will appeal to various people (esp. giggling dope-smokers, I suspect), relatively few would join it in order to do away with it.

3. The BNP may well have such an undemocratic constitution that it would be difficult - I don't say impossible - to take over. It might all hang on running a candidate against Griffin for Griffin's post ('President' or 'Chairman' or 'Top Banana' or whatever it is).

4. In the (unlikely) event of the takeover thing actually happening, I guess the BNPers would form a new little party. The whole thing would have disrupted them and cost lots of time and effort (not least on the part of the anti-BNP campaigners), but it would probably prove to be a hollow victory before long.



Anyway.... it's all going to be fun to watch, whatever happens.
 
Griffin quoted in The Guardian:

It is now crystal clear to all concerned that we simply do not have a choice but to change our membership policy," said Griffin. "Adapt or die is the only decision left to make, for failure to adapt would lead either to our being bled white through the courts or crushed by new criminal laws.
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Fun indeed.
 
JHE said:
There was talk of organising a sort of mass-joining & takeover thingy, once the race-based membership rule is scrapped, and then sort of reforming the BNP into something its opponents don't mind or just disbanding it.

I don't know whether anyone will try such a thing, but a few things occur to me.

1. The BNP saw this legal challenge coming a long time ago and not everyone in the BNP can be as daft as that silly young man, Lee Somebody-or-other (Barnes?), who blathers on semi-literately about legal stuff and has a law degree from Kent. I think the BNP leadership had probably decided long ago how to deal with this challenge. They are prepared.

2. It will be interesting to see if anyone does try the takeover thingy and, if anyone does try to organise it, whether there will be many volunteers to join. My hunch is that, though lots of people hate the BNP, and the idea will appeal to various people (esp. giggling dope-smokers, I suspect), relatively few would join it in order to do away with it.

3. The BNP may well have such an undemocratic constitution that it would be difficult - I don't say impossible - to take over. It might all hang on running a candidate against Griffin for Griffin's post ('President' or 'Chairman' or 'Top Banana' or whatever it is).

4. In the (unlikely) event of the takeover thing actually happening, I guess the BNPers would form a new little party. The whole thing would have disrupted them and cost lots of time and effort (not least on the part of the anti-BNP campaigners), but it would probably prove to be a hollow victory before long.



Anyway.... it's all going to be fun to watch, whatever happens.
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The idea that the average lefty would volunteer their details and that the far-right (once removed) would not seriously fuck with them if they did is remarkably naive. Euro-nationalism is a change of strategy but thats all it is. The goals and basic mentality are the same.
 
butchersapron said:
So the BNP will, in a matter of weeks, be able to declare, with the full weight of the law behind them, and with the successor body to the Commision for Racial Equality supporting them, that they are not a racist party. What a victory.
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Spot on analysis - another propaganda victory for the BNP, and another great own goal scored by those who campaigned for the BNP to be forced to open up their membership to all.

To my mind this is just the latest example of how the 'left' is currently losing the battle against the far right in terms of strategy and tactics, which have been discussed at great length elsewhere on U75 over the last month or so.
 
MC5 said:
On the plus side, it could lead to the demise of organised racism in Great Britain?
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Or maybe this could lead to the further legitimisation of the BNP, which is the main long term gain of the BNP - i.e. its desire to hypocritically pose as a respectable law abiding party which is nearer to the mainstream than the lunatic fringe??
 
JHE said:
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2. It will be interesting to see if anyone does try the takeover thingy and, if anyone does try to organise it, whether there will be many volunteers to join. My hunch is that, though lots of people hate the BNP, and the idea will appeal to various people (esp. giggling dope-smokers, I suspect), relatively few would join it in order to do away with it.
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their voting membership is based on activism and willingness to stand for election over a two year period, so the chances of takeover are zilch

they will allow some candidates (Mr Singh of Northampton, being the first) who will be given no hope ward to work in probably unsafe areas to campaign in to earn their voting members rights
 
butchersapron said:
So the BNP will, in a matter of weeks, be able to declare, with the full weight of the law behind them, and with the successor body to the Commision for Racial Equality supporting them, that they are not a racist party. What a victory.
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the only worry for Griffin is if his own membership rejects any constitutioanl change (he needs a 2/3rds majority)- which may rally the nutzi/dinosaur wing of the party if they linked up with the December 2007 rebels

The rebels however have just issued a "Sadie Graham is innocent" (of leaking the membership list ) email blowing whatever credibility they have out of the water
 
It's interesting territory for the BNP if they go with Griffin on this one.

Their whole reason for existing is race and without it what are they there for?
 
JHE said:
1. The BNP saw this legal challenge coming a long time ago and not everyone in the BNP can be as daft as that silly young man, Lee Somebody-or-other (Barnes?), who blathers on semi-literately about legal stuff and has a law degree from Kent. I think the BNP leadership had probably decided long ago how to deal with this challenge. They are prepared.
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I'm not so sure they're as ready as you make out, the fact they've already had to shell out costs and have binned their old lawyers suggests that though they may well have a plan they are not being very slick at implementing it. They're reacting to something here, they aren't in control.

JHE said:
2. It will be interesting to see if anyone does try the takeover thingy and, if anyone does try to organise it, whether there will be many volunteers to join. My hunch is that, though lots of people hate the BNP, and the idea will appeal to various people (esp. giggling dope-smokers, I suspect), relatively few would join it in order to do away with it.

3. The BNP may well have such an undemocratic constitution that it would be difficult - I don't say impossible - to take over. It might all hang on running a candidate against Griffin for Griffin's post ('President' or 'Chairman' or 'Top Banana' or whatever it is).

4. In the (unlikely) event of the takeover thing actually happening, I guess the BNPers would form a new little party. The whole thing would have disrupted them and cost lots of time and effort (not least on the part of the anti-BNP campaigners), but it would probably prove to be a hollow victory before long.



Anyway.... it's all going to be fun to watch, whatever happens.
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The BNP leadership have experience of seeing off leadership challenges and internal elements that are out to disrupt them. I'm sure they'd welcome the memberships subs whoever they come from. It's a bad plan.
 
Divisive Cotton said:
It's interesting territory for the BNP if they go with Griffin on this one.

Their whole reason for existing is race and without it what are they there for?
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I don't see it being a problem for them at all. He can sell it to his membership on the basis that it's just paper, another hoop the "marxist establishment" have forced the to jump through but in reality it changes nothing.
 
Think the majority bnp supporters, and most members will welcome it tactically, and some in spirit. Certainly a detrimental to anti-fascism imho.
 
Barnsley By Election

LABOUR has retained its seat following the St Helen’s ward by election, taking 60 percent of the votes.

Some 2,572 people – a 31 percent turnout - voted at eight polling stations on Thursday, 15 October. This means that the new ward member for St Helen’s is Roy Butterwood.The full result was as follows:

* Lisa Brooksbank (British National Party) - 590
* Roy Butterwood (Labour) – 1520
* Eddie Gouthwaite (Liberal Democrats) – 78
* Daniel Clive Pickering (Barnsley Independent Group) – 171
* Neil Robinson (UK Independence Party) – 94
* Clive Watkinson (Conservative) – 89

BA noted this In fact the really interesting thing in that Barnsely result (as regards the GE anyway) is the labour vote leaping up by what 33%, the BNP vote stable/dropping slightly, and the tories and lib dems collapsing toally.

2009 Lab 1520 BNP 590 Ind 171 UKIP 94Con 89 LD 78
2008: Lab 965 BNP 635 Ind 299 Con 200
2007: Lab 1076 BNP 311 Ind 348 Con 133
2006: Lab 905 Ind 707 Con 197
2004: Lab 1109 BNP 245 Ind 1055 Ind 771 Con 156 LD 340

i (D02) am guessing this is a combination of a big HnH mass leafletting campaign and local factors .. this election does not seem to appear on any BNP websites .. is there some sort of split .. this is poor fro them :)
 
Labour were one seat short of an overall majority on the council as a result of the lab councillors death and desperately needed to get this seat back - i imagine they pulled out all stops.
 
Very late 2008 accounts finally published. Quick skim shows that membership figures not included this time, but that income from membership subs is down by crica 50% (subs may have been reduced or re-organised for tax purposes, don't know, i think the 'membership branch dividend' might possibly be something to do with this). Donations and fund raising rose quite significantly. Significant reduction in commerial and campaign expenditure.
 
In Glasgow iof all places! I know much of this is simply labour attempts to scare the horses to get the vote out, but...

BNP set to advance in ex-Speaker Martin's Glasgow seat

Senior politicians from all the main parties have conceded that the BNP could make the significant advance of saving its deposit in the Glasgow North East by-election, on Thursday.

However, Labour Party officials campaigning in the constituency warned yesterday that the BNP could even come third, as part of a "protest vote" against the number of asylum-seekers living in the area.
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Kenny Farquharson: No room for complacency

FORECASTING the results of by-elections is a mug's game. So here goes. It's pretty much a dead cert that Labour will win the Glasgow North-East by-election this coming Thursday, with the SNP in second place. What's less certain, and what could end up being the story of the night, is who will come in third. And in particular, whether that prize will go to the British National Party.

There is enough anecdotal evidence from the constituency to suggest the BNP's message of intolerance, ignorance and fear has found a ready echo among a minority of Glasgow voters. Friends of mine who have spent time in the constituency in recent weeks – some as journalists,
some as canvassers – have been taken aback at the nakedly racist comments they have heard in the streets and on the doorsteps.
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