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Bridgend organising against BNP
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info i got today that i thought might be useful to put on here
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Bridgend organising against BNP
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info i got today that i thought might be useful to put on here
Some might want to catch this:
Archive Hour
A Rage in Dalston
Saturday 19 April 2008 20:00-21:00 (Radio 4 FM)
Alan Dein uncovers a little known story of postwar conflict. For four years after 1945, London and the South East witnessed vicious confrontations between the remnants of Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists and Jewish ex-servicemen organised in the 43 Group.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/archivehour/pip/ev26o/
does the bnp in wales tap into a anti welsh nationalist vein do you think?
I suspect that if the BNP do well in the local elections, then there will be an upsurge in AF/anti far right activity, particularly amongst young people. The dwindling SWP will organise big united front meetings (with no space for those who have a nuanced view on immigration, etc) where said young people are harangued into hyper activity, will be initially enthused, then become dissolussioned with the sects and then angry and finally pack it in, the eternal cycle continues...
Fighting Fascism has always been far more difficult a proposition than fighting apartheid, the War, etc. There the enemies are in Pretoria, the Pentagon, Downing Street and are abstract and can be shouted at from a distance. Fascists, however, are down the local pub, campaigning on the High Street, in the Council Chamber, going door-to-door in the local community and, therefore, take a lot more physical courage to confront and clearer politics to argue against. The SWP re-launched the ANL in 1991. They never talk or discuss this venture today as it failed and it's been airbrushed out of history. The UAF looks like going the same way sadly.
. The SWP re-launched the ANL in 1991. They never talk or discuss this venture today as it failed and it's been airbrushed out of history. The UAF looks like going the same way sadly.
Interesting that as a prelude to the Carnival this weekend, UAF have announced an "ANL March"
We really are going back to 1978 here. However, in 1978, the ANL were already impacting on NF votes- i cant see this happening of the last clutch of council by elections are anything to go by
One final by election to keep your eyes on in Hinckley this thursday (with ex NF Leader Mick Shore standing for the BNP)
Oh fuck! Talk about using a previously failed policy again. Back then the NF didn't really have a base now the bnp have loads.
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Not true. At the 1977 GLC Elections before the formation of the ANL- the BNP were polling huge votes in individual parliamentary constituencies including some over 10% in Hackney, Tower Hamlets, Haringey and Newham. They were defeated within a year. The policy of the ANL Mark 1, Propoganda, Violence and Rock against Racism worked then, and with a few adjustments could work again
The NF had high end stuff, the modern BNP has low end stuff. Diff game.
I'm assuming you are talking about class loyalties among the fash? If so;
What about later when they start to get a hold in middle class former Tory areas? Its not inconcievable.
Nah, i meant the NF had no roots and so could be blown away. The BNP have roots and can't. The battles of the next decade have been set.
At it's height the NF had about 20,000 members. The BNP have about 7,000.
The NF had regular meetings, marches and street sales of NF news. NF was scrawled on walls in every part of the city I was at the time. There were certain pubs and areas you avoided. Political meetings and events were attacked on regular occasions. That included Labour party meetings as well as the Communist Party and SWP. Bookshops too.
But although you have less members it was more noticable and less insiduous as the growth of the bnp. They've silenced the meatheads who made up the majority of fash activity at the time and are using the electoral route to influence.
Theres more votes in doing the community politics stuff and appearing to listen to the voiceless that the bnp are doing than shoving shit through peoples doors (at least until they gain any power). They've learned that so I think the bnp are more worrying than the nf of old despite the nf's propensity for violence.
The violence is always there when it comes to fascist parties. Emphasis on electoral or violent methods is a matter of tactics rather than strategy. The same political outlook, social base and orientation often underlie both political thuggery and the suit wearing respectability of much of the extreme right. The organisations which constitute the two tactical faces of contemporary fascism also share members.
At it's height the NF had about 20,000 members. The BNP have about 7,000.
The NF had regular meetings, marches and street sales of NF news. NF was scrawled on walls in every part of the city I was at the time. There were certain pubs and areas you avoided. Political meetings and events were attacked on regular occasions. That included Labour party meetings as well as the Communist Party and SWP. Bookshops too.
They had 17 000 menbers for two years tops. And no elected reps. The BNP has around 0o, has consolidated a 5000 plus membership and has extended it's reach to far more than the trad areas whilst picking up record numbers of votes.
Please, stop telling yourself and othersthis nonsense. Do you really think holding stupid rallies is the true measure of poltical importance? In 2008? Even Griffin is in advance of you then. Do grow up.
Not true. At the 1977 GLC Elections before the formation of the ANL- the BNP were polling huge votes in individual parliamentary constituencies including some over 10% in Hackney, Tower Hamlets, Haringey and Newham. They were defeated within a year. The policy of the ANL Mark 1, Propoganda, Violence and Rock against Racism worked then, and with a few adjustments could work again
they much prefer reaching people in the thinning band of highly Unionised workplaces
At it's height the NF had about 20,000 members. The BNP have about 7,000.
The NF had regular meetings, marches and street sales of NF news. NF was scrawled on walls in every part of the city I was at the time. There were certain pubs and areas you avoided. Political meetings and events were attacked on regular occasions. That included Labour party meetings as well as the Communist Party and SWP. Bookshops too.
I fear that we will reach a situation like that which exists in France and Italy, a fascist political force with a large core support impervious to opposition.
One wee rant about London antifascists. Last Saturday there were 3 pre- advertised fascist activities in London, the location for which was known beforehand for each, a National Front march in Eltham, a British Peoples Party meeting in Central London and a BNP Mass leafletting drive in Bromley. The first two received militant antifascist opposition, the third was ignored. Why?
They had 17 000 menbers for two years tops. And no elected reps. The BNP has around 0o, has consolidated a 5000 plus membership and has extended it's reach to far more than the trad areas whilst picking up record numbers of votes.
Nah, i meant the NF had no roots and so could be blown away. The BNP have roots and can't. The battles of the next decade have been set.