Griffin and BNP strategy
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MC5 said:
Knocking down housing up North whilst building on more and more land in the overcrowded south east,shows up the stupidity of the free market.
Supporting the so called FREE!!! movement of people just plays into the hands of people who want to see a more divided country and world....
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durruti02 said:
I didn't say the 'affect is tiny' I said: "I don't have any figures for refugees, or those with exceptional leave to remain being allocated social housing. A tiny percentage of the total housing stock I would think." Prove me wrong with some statistics?
That first link (I see with cartoons by former Socialist Worker cartoonist Evans) has this to say on a national of a European Economic Area (EEA) country.
However, as I noted in another post on this thread:
MC5 said:
Some contradictory info out there it appears.
Further contradictions on the second link as some of the information povided is out of date. Some of the comments below it make this clear, as immigration rules have become more restrictive.
The third link is a duplication of the second one.
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tbaldwin said:
It shows up the stupidity of those granting planning applications surely?
I support the free movement of workers, both coming to and leaving these shores.
If I wanted to leave this country (more to the point, if I could afford to), I would give short shrift to any tin-pot, authoritarian, bureaucrat who wanted to stop me.
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tbaldwin said:
Where have I said that people should be stopped from building properties?
Most people would choose to live where they are now with family, friends etc, etc.
However, some wish to travel freely, for work, leisure - to explore different horizons and not have some authoritarian twat telling them they can't.
The only way to separate myth from fact would be to use the freedom of information act to see who had been given access to council/affordable social housing what there status had been in terms of initial citizenship were they i.e. British citizen , EU ( migrant ) citizen or non eu migrants /asylum seekers citizens. Then break this information down in terms of age gender family size etc.Then do the math.
Maybe someone has already done this on another post or left wing website .Or maybe not maybe the bnp will do it before them and mix it in with there propaganda. Either way the issue needs to be resolved the left wing Ninny dimbos of the world need to start being pretty objective pretty bloody soon.
From where I am sitting the left have a massive problem of credibility within ALL impoverished communities period. For example if you look at the black community they are turning to the church for support and mutual aid with respect to the problems within there community such as gun crime for example ( not that I am suggesting this is a problem exclusive to their community).Young Muslims are turning to radical Islam . etc
No one except there own inborn zealots believe a word of what the left says anymore still that’s what they get for adopting an intellectual white working class bashing attitude in the 70's and 80's an attitude that is also reflected within the mainstream Leftwing parties and urban media elite.
In fact no matter what left wing group you examine they all seem to want to drive people to the far right or conservative institutions as they appear to be operating in a moral and ethical bind of there own making.
Is it really realistic to expect people not to have ANY sexist racist homophobic xenophobic etc views at all not even a small weenie trace. But this is the strict criteria that the left applies.
If this ignorance is due to education or lack of it then surely the left are to partly blame themselves when one considers that education is dominated by the left in terms of intellectual ideas, and concepts right down to the leftwing teachers that deliver the education itself
( with the obvious exemptions of private education )
You cannot expect so many alienated people who have to struggle for what little they have against other people from the same socio-economic background to be the living embodiment of virtue. But then that is what the problem is. People. There seems to be a lot of insecure reactionary left wing middleclass / aspiring middleclass people on these boards who needing to feel better than others take great joy and indeed within wider main stream society from putting those who are already at the bottom of society down thus arguably demonstrating there own psychologically flawed phobic attitudes that manifest themselves in anti-under/ working class rhetoric views as expressed so clearly by so many so called left wing anarcho environmentalist types on these boards. The danger which is starting to show itself on these boards is that people are now automatically being seen as a die hard Nazis if they happen to disagree with left wing radicals.
Here’s an idea instead of arguing why don’t nino and dureti collaborate research the demographics of bnp voters and correlate this information with local deprivation educational achievement etc. Hs anyone on the left done this? But then its a sad case that all these left wing factions demonstrate-to many egos to few members
If you really want to change the world for the better then you have to start by changing your attitudes.
Some of those who vote for the far right might know no better but those who claim to be highly ethical political people with a deep insight into how to make society into a progressive utopia should.
Hearts and minds .
In some communities the far right are slowly winning over peoples minds.
But the left are not winning over either
Maybe someone has already done this on another post or left wing website .Or maybe not maybe the bnp will do it before them and mix it in with there propaganda. Either way the issue needs to be resolved the left wing Ninny dimbos of the world need to start being pretty objective pretty bloody soon.
From where I am sitting the left have a massive problem of credibility within ALL impoverished communities period. For example if you look at the black community they are turning to the church for support and mutual aid with respect to the problems within there community such as gun crime for example ( not that I am suggesting this is a problem exclusive to their community).Young Muslims are turning to radical Islam . etc
No one except there own inborn zealots believe a word of what the left says anymore still that’s what they get for adopting an intellectual white working class bashing attitude in the 70's and 80's an attitude that is also reflected within the mainstream Leftwing parties and urban media elite.
In fact no matter what left wing group you examine they all seem to want to drive people to the far right or conservative institutions as they appear to be operating in a moral and ethical bind of there own making.
Is it really realistic to expect people not to have ANY sexist racist homophobic xenophobic etc views at all not even a small weenie trace. But this is the strict criteria that the left applies.
If this ignorance is due to education or lack of it then surely the left are to partly blame themselves when one considers that education is dominated by the left in terms of intellectual ideas, and concepts right down to the leftwing teachers that deliver the education itself
( with the obvious exemptions of private education )
You cannot expect so many alienated people who have to struggle for what little they have against other people from the same socio-economic background to be the living embodiment of virtue. But then that is what the problem is. People. There seems to be a lot of insecure reactionary left wing middleclass / aspiring middleclass people on these boards who needing to feel better than others take great joy and indeed within wider main stream society from putting those who are already at the bottom of society down thus arguably demonstrating there own psychologically flawed phobic attitudes that manifest themselves in anti-under/ working class rhetoric views as expressed so clearly by so many so called left wing anarcho environmentalist types on these boards. The danger which is starting to show itself on these boards is that people are now automatically being seen as a die hard Nazis if they happen to disagree with left wing radicals.
Here’s an idea instead of arguing why don’t nino and dureti collaborate research the demographics of bnp voters and correlate this information with local deprivation educational achievement etc. Hs anyone on the left done this? But then its a sad case that all these left wing factions demonstrate-to many egos to few members
If you really want to change the world for the better then you have to start by changing your attitudes.
Some of those who vote for the far right might know no better but those who claim to be highly ethical political people with a deep insight into how to make society into a progressive utopia should.
Hearts and minds .
In some communities the far right are slowly winning over peoples minds.
But the left are not winning over either
brasicattack said:The only way to separate myth from fact would be to use the freedom of information act to see who had been given access to council/affordable social housing what there status had been in terms of initial citizenship were they i.e. British citizen , EU ( migrant ) citizen or non eu migrants /asylum seekers citizens. Then break this information down in terms of age gender family size etc.Then do the math.
Maybe someone has already done this on another post or left wing website .Or maybe not maybe the bnp will do it before them and mix it in with there propaganda. Either way the issue needs to be resolved the left wing Ninny dimbos of the world need to start being pretty objective pretty bloody soon.
From where I am sitting the left have a massive problem of credibility within ALL impoverished communities period. For example if you look at the black community they are turning to the church for support and mutual aid with respect to the problems within there community such as gun crime for example ( not that I am suggesting this is a problem exclusive to their community).Young Muslims are turning to radical Islam . etc
No one except there own inborn zealots believe a word of what the left says anymore still that’s what they get for adopting an intellectual white working class bashing attitude in the 70's and 80's an attitude that is also reflected within the mainstream Leftwing parties and urban media elite.
In fact no matter what left wing group you examine they all seem to want to drive people to the far right or conservative institutions as they appear to be operating in a moral and ethical bind of there own making.
Is it really realistic to expect people not to have ANY sexist racist homophobic xenophobic etc views at all not even a small weenie trace. But this is the strict criteria that the left applies.
If this ignorance is due to education or lack of it then surely the left are to partly blame themselves when one considers that education is dominated by the left in terms of intellectual ideas, and concepts right down to the leftwing teachers that deliver the education itself
( with the obvious exemptions of private education )
You cannot expect so many alienated people who have to struggle for what little they have against other people from the same socio-economic background to be the living embodiment of virtue. But then that is what the problem is. People. There seems to be a lot of insecure reactionary left wing middleclass / aspiring middleclass people on these boards who needing to feel better than others take great joy and indeed within wider main stream society from putting those who are already at the bottom of society down thus arguably demonstrating there own psychologically flawed phobic attitudes that manifest themselves in anti-under/ working class rhetoric views as expressed so clearly by so many so called left wing anarcho environmentalist types on these boards. The danger which is starting to show itself on these boards is that people are now automatically being seen as a die hard Nazis if they happen to disagree with left wing radicals.
Here’s an idea instead of arguing why don’t nino and dureti collaborate research the demographics of bnp voters and correlate this information with local deprivation educational achievement etc. Hs anyone on the left done this? But then its a sad case that all these left wing factions demonstrate-to many egos to few members
If you really want to change the world for the better then you have to start by changing your attitudes.
Some of those who vote for the far right might know no better but those who claim to be highly ethical political people with a deep insight into how to make society into a progressive utopia should.
Hearts and minds .
In some communities the far right are slowly winning over peoples minds.
But the left are not winning over either
Good post.
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Who votes BNP. Published in 2004.
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mk12 said:
I know and it's a bit dated. Extrapolate what you want from it, if anything.
This quote from Billy Bragg maybe not far from the truth?
There's another report too.
The BNP. The roots of its appeal.
..and this:
How the BNP entered the political mainstream.
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mk12 said:
No it isn't. Brasicattack, like so many others, fails to acknowledge the xenophobia and racism that accompanies this argument. Furthermore, he seems unwilling the acknowledge the many myths that orbit the centre of the anti-immigration debate (which, on this forum, is often one-sided and dominated by those who are fervently against immigration).
nino_savatte
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This is what is commonly known as the "emotional blackmail" tactic. To say that those of us who oppose the anti-immigration argument "push people into the arms of the BNP" is ludicrous and smacks of the same sort of rhetoric favoured by nationalists and so-called American patriots.
I see, I'm a liar now. I've worked in social housing, have you? Do you think that places that use the phrase "Bed & Breakfast" are actually the sorts of places where one might find folk on holiday?
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dash_two said:
Anything short of unqualified enthusiasm for super-tight immigration controls is a thought crime.
tbaldwin said:
but cant you see the train of thought though, which is exactly how the BNP start poisoning people`s minds
1. British jobs for british workers (G Brown,2007) turns into
2. British houses for british people ( P Hodge,2007) which turns into
3. Britain for the british (N Griffin, 2007)
If you believe in 1 and 2, its not much of a step to believe in 3 -which is the core of what the BNP stand for.
nino_savatte
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dash_two said:
I don't think anyone who proposes super tight immigration controls isn't necessarily a bad person. Just misguided, ignorant and lacking a sense of history and perspective.
nino_savatte
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Do you have a contribution or a serious point, dash or are we likely to get more of the same shite from you?
nino_savatte
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dash_two said:
Speak for yourself, hypocrite. Now have you got a point to make or are you here to pick a fight (and then post the details on MATB for Swarthy)?
I used to have you on ignore. Perhaps I shall reinstate you to my ignore list.
You sound like some elderly dowager when you start talking about your famed 'ignore' list.
Right, I want to know what's so great about this open borders notion.
This country doesn't have open borders and I don't know of any that do if they can help it. So you need to sell it to me. On you go.
Right, I want to know what's so great about this open borders notion.
This country doesn't have open borders and I don't know of any that do if they can help it. So you need to sell it to me. On you go.
nino_savatte
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dash_two said:You sound like some elderly dowager when you start talking about your famed 'ignore' list.
Right, I want to know what's so great about this open borders notion.
This country doesn't have open borders and I don't know of any that do if they can help it. So you need to sell it to me. On you go.
Whereas you sound like an auld pub drunk who's looking for a scrap.
I want to know what's so great about tighter immigration controls. I'll bet all you can up with is a series of statements based on myths and bigotry.
Over to you, shitheid.
butchersapron
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nino_savatte said:
Unhealthy obession nino.
nino_savatte
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dash_two said:
Why aren't you over on MATB giving Swarthy a handjob?
