butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Nah, loads stayed out (there are a lot of parties) - Antarsya for example.
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Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
There's an Indiegogo page to raise funds for a Greek bailout! Currently down due to it's extreme popularity, apparently.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...s-how-you-can-help-crowdfund-a-greek-bailout/
Where would the money go?
Washington Post said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...s-how-you-can-help-crowdfund-a-greek-bailout/
Where would the money go?
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Tsipras and the Syriza leadership have been spending far too long telling people what they want to hear, instead of making perfectly plain that to fight austerity will mean either an orderly or a disorderly default and Grexit.
Lapavitsas and the left platform have been saying this since day one - not sure how much difference there is between them and Antarsya/EEK etc.
Lapavitsas and the left platform have been saying this since day one - not sure how much difference there is between them and Antarsya/EEK etc.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
as opposed to the labour party which told people what they thought they wanted to hear.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
this is not the thread for my extensive criticisms of the Labour leadership - it's entirely possible to be critical of the Syriza leadership whilst still identifying and being part of the wider project of anti-austerity it represents. For all its errors it's not a sect
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Oh no my dear boy, there's always room to rip the shite out of New Labour however tenuous the link to any thread may be.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you haven't an anti-austerity bone in your body
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Maybe we should vivisect him, to check.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
maybe we should vivisect him for the lols.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
and you base that on....?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
your continued, longstanding membership of a pro-austerity party.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
a8 has a point though- the greek people have been shown what happens when you try to do away with austerity by electing a leftish party. Computer says no. Proper, fuck you no.
So thats something any country in europe needs to look at. What do you think 'the markets' will berate us and browbeat etc should we make the 'wrong' decision in 2017?
So thats something any country in europe needs to look at. What do you think 'the markets' will berate us and browbeat etc should we make the 'wrong' decision in 2017?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
we will make the right decision in 2017
newbie
undisambiguated
back to you via paypal. Unless the full 1.8bn is raised, in which case it'll be the biggest story on the planet and you won't be able to move for people arguing about where it should go.
Indiegogo take a pound per donation which I don't suppose they'll want to refund.
gosub
~#
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Good point - I don't suppose they will.
On further reading I think this money must be meant just for the missed IMF payment this week. Fuck that. But this is very interesting!!paying interest to :
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
I can't believe people are actually contributing to fill the pockets of a bunch of bankers who are actually responsible for the miseries of a whole people instead of sending the money to the actual people. People really do need to wake up:
http://www.theguardian.com/business...litz-how-i-would-vote-in-the-greek-referendum
The German-Greek economic relationship is one of the aspects of this whole crisis that is a bit nuts and it goes well back in time.
German banks lent to the Greek people and then told them how naughty they had been to do so in the first place.
You could argue caveat emptor from either side but in this bizarre relationship I would say that it's the Germans that are screwing the Greeks over much more than many realise.
German banks lent to the Greek people and then told them how naughty they had been to do so in the first place.
You could argue caveat emptor from either side but in this bizarre relationship I would say that it's the Germans that are screwing the Greeks over much more than many realise.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Nooooooooooooooooo, you dont say.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ah bless.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
It's hardly a secret even in Germany. It's just that some condone it whilst others don't.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Turns out this might not be the case if it's a 'fixed funding' campaign, meaning that you only keep the money if the total is reached.
https://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/204456408-Fees-Pricing
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
"In the long run, it wont solve anything" he says, about half way through.
There's a ringing endorsement for you
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Well they all know this won't work, it is unsustainable to expect a population to just continue to borrow in order to pay interest on existing debts. It is insanity, but the bastards won't give them a break because they know what happens if they give greece even the breathing space to clear the intrest. It all falls apart as every other nation in the eurozone clamours for similar breathing space. This whole situation has made me very hungry for the wall and the people who should face it.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund/#/story
The croud-sourced Greek bailout has topped the £1,000,000 mark. I've just put in for €25 on the basis that I'm fairly much guaranteed to get my money back, as there is no chance that they'll reach the target. On the very slim off-chance that they make the target, it will be worth taking the hit of course, even if the money does go to the IMF or the like.
No doubt, the whole exercise is open to critique on multiple levels, but if it shows the international institutions up for the shower of shites that they are, it seems like a nice piece of propaganda to me.
The croud-sourced Greek bailout has topped the £1,000,000 mark. I've just put in for €25 on the basis that I'm fairly much guaranteed to get my money back, as there is no chance that they'll reach the target. On the very slim off-chance that they make the target, it will be worth taking the hit of course, even if the money does go to the IMF or the like.
No doubt, the whole exercise is open to critique on multiple levels, but if it shows the international institutions up for the shower of shites that they are, it seems like a nice piece of propaganda to me.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
For all their stupidity there's a small part of me that wishes some remnant of the RAF was around to execute Merkel and Schäuble.
I know it's no proper strategy but I couldn't help cheering.
I know it's no proper strategy but I couldn't help cheering.
gosub
~#
ECB decided not to block the funding already agreed but not to allocate any more so will be down to how much they got through already and how far through the system the last of it is.
If anyone has info on that, say the address of a warehouse in Frankfurt with 4pallets of Euros sitting in it,
might change my weekend plans
