Greek elections

[J Ed]

The rest of the talk is really interesting BTW, worth a watch.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

The rest of the talk is really interesting BTW, worth a watch.

Best to watch it with the speed setting increased though.

 

[hipipol]

Lions led by Donkeys
If any further proof were needed that EVERY single politician the Greek people have ever elected was a self serving shit spewer, this week has REALLY pinned it down

 

[J Ed]

Lions led by Donkeys
If any further proof were needed that EVERY single politician the Greek people have ever elected was a self serving shit spewer, this week has REALLY pinned it down

Thanks for that, so helpful, you've really moved the discussion along

 

[hipipol]

Thanks for that, so helpful, you've really moved the discussion along

none of us can move anything
Its down to the referendum
What else can you say that can bring clarity and sense to this vile situation?
you have some misguided notion of importance with ref to this boards but it will have no effect on any of those who actually make a difference
We will know what really came to pass in a number of years
I will remind you of what Zhou Enlai said in 1966
Asked what he thought of the French Revolution
He replied
"Its really too early to tell"

 

[Coolfonz]

Timing: IMF says Greece needs extra €50bn in funds and debt relief

Basically if Roman Abramovitvh got out a 3.5 times mortgage he could probably cover that. Needs to get down his high street, he could sort it by lunch.

 

[cathal marcs]

Thanks for sharing the video it is quite surreal watching it due to the current situation

 

[belboid]

Why Greece's richest village is voting 'Yes'

It interviews one bloke - who's voting 'No'

 

[Santino]

none of us can move anything
Its down to the referendum
What else can you say that can bring clarity and sense to this vile situation?
you have some misguided notion of importance with ref to this boards but it will have no effect on any of those who actually make a difference
We will know what really came to pass in a number of years
I will remind you of what Zhou Enlai said in 1966
Asked what he thought of the French Revolution
He replied
"Its really too early to tell"

It was in 1972 and he thought he was talking about the 'revolution' of 1968.

 

[DotCommunist]

Timing: IMF says Greece needs extra €50bn in funds and debt relief

a commitment to economic reform

this means what the imf usually mean when they say that right?

 

[butchersapron]

this means what the imf usually mean when they say that right?

Of course it does, but the key part is the demand for debt relief and the conflict with the troika (you're not going to get me saying 'the institution's as if the greek state isn't).

 

[brogdale]

Of course it does, but the key part is the demand for debt relief and the conflict with the troika (you're not going to get me saying 'the institution's as if the greek state isn't).

Technically, (supposedly), conflict within the troika, between the ex-Goldman's staff run by the US and ex-Goldman's staff run by the ECB.

 

[J Ed]

I think that they are going to scare the Greek people into voting yes.

The Golden Dawn must be wetting themselves with excitement, "after Syriza, our turn"

 

[Belushi]

The Golden Dawn must be wetting themselves with excitement, "after Syriza, our turn"

That's why I haven't contributed to the daft crowd funding thing to pay the Greek debt. I'm saving for when we have to buy the left guns

 

[CNT36]

What are the odds on it beng cancelled by a colonel?

 

[J Ed]

What are the odds on it beng cancelled by a colonel?

Very, very low

 

[CNT36]

Pity.

 

[emanymton]

Very, very low

A court on the other hand...

 

[DotCommunist]

I think that they are going to scare the Greek people into voting yes.

of course they are. We all get the news, pictures from places like damascus and so on. The message being sold will be 'it can get worse, believe me'

 

[J Ed]

of course they are. We all get the news, pictures from places like damascus and so on. The message being sold will be 'it can get worse, believe me'

The whole race to the bottom of expectations seems to be becoming an increasingly popular one. A Tory the other week told me that doing workfare in Tesco "wasn't the worst thing in the world" because "gays are being thrown off buildings in Syria", leaving aside the fact that he will never do any kind of workfare and the fact that those two things have nothing to do with each other we can see that sort of attitude being promoted in the redefinition of poverty by the government.

 

[phildwyer]

I think that they are going to scare the Greek people into voting yes.

I'm in Greece at the moment, and every single person I've spoken to is going to vote "No." Having said that, most of them expect "Yes" to win. Everything seems normal enough, a bit more expensive than usual is all. No sense of crisis, still less of coup or revolution in the air.

 

[Teaboy]

I'm in Greece at the moment.................... No sense of crisis, still less of coup or revolution in the air.

Well bloody hell man, get fomenting. Have you even sourced the barricade material yet?

 

[phildwyer]

Well bloody hell man, get fomenting. Have you even sourced the barricade material yet?

I fully intend to break the speed limit on my moped this afternoon. Should divert a bit of police manpower.

 

[Teaboy]

I fully intend to break the speed limit on my moped this afternoon. Should divert a bit of police manpower.

That's the spirit, over to you troika.

 

[phildwyer]

That's the spirit, over to you troika.

They'll have to catch me first! Hasta la victoria siempre.

 

[CNT36]

They'll have to catch me first! Hasta la victoria siempre.

 

[butchersapron]

Good piece - and this from recntly upper-middle class. The yes vote is not as secure as many presumed - not with the last three polls all showing neck and neck:

'I'll Vote No With Both Hands:' An 85-Year-Old's Story Of Struggle In Greece

"You know why I believe in Tsipras or Varoufakis? Because they are young and they are not tainted by corruption. The old politicians, the previous governments, have sold out the Greek people. They sacrificed us while they stole and they forgot to defend us from the Germans and from all of Europe. I love Europe, you know? But I owe nothing to the Germans. Quite the opposite. When the war ended, I tried to forgive them, to understand that we had to assist them so it wouldn't happen again. All Europeans helped them, even those whose countries were occupied and razed by the Nazis. Why can't they now think about the Greeks, about the Greek people? Neither I nor my sons are corrupt. We didn't forge any state accounts. Let them hold accountable those who actually stole."

Next Sunday, Tyraki will vote oxi --'no'-- to the austerity measures demanded by Brussels. "It's not yes or no to the euro, we know that," she says. "But I will vote 'no' to those measures because if we have to leave the euro, I am aware that two or three very hard years await us. But we are used to that, and afterwards we'll have our own new politicians to find our way. We can't do this anymore. I don't see why I have to stand Schäuble or his accusing finger ordering me around anymore. I know that we must forgive. But never forget. I could tell Mr. Schäuble that perhaps his grandfather was one of the men who burned down my house, my school. My brothers were forced to move to North America. My uncles and my cousins died in the war or shortly after. Return to the drachma? Today a kilogram of feta cheese costs 5 euros. Do you realize all the numbers we need in order to buy everything we need? Five years ago it was less than half. Write this down please: I only ask for justice."

"One last thing," she says, turning around with a smile. "In Koxare, my town in Crete, the place where I was born and the place they razed, my childhood home is now the museum that houses the charred remains of all the homes that Hitler's troops burned down."

She would like to take Schäuble there.

 

[hipipol]

It was in 1972 and he thought he was talking about the 'revolution' of 1968.

By Dean Nicholas Posted 15th June 2011, 11:30 Zhou Enlai in 1946 One of the more celebrated quips of the 20th century may be less sagacious than it once seemed. During Richard Nixon's visit to Beijing in 1972, the Chinese premier, Zhou Enlai, was asked about the impact of the French Revolution. Speaking of an event that took place nearly two centuries previously, Zhou famously commented that it was 'too early to say'. The witticism quickly became a way of emphasising the Chinese ability to take the long view in history. Yet it seems that Zhou may not have correctly understood the question. Rather than referring to the 1789 revolution, his interlocuter was speaking of the events of May 1968, and the Chinese leader's comment was directed toward those far more recent developments. As reported in the Financial Times, a diplomat present at the time called it a misunderstanding that was 'too delicious to invite correction'. The story became legend, and a rather lazy cliche about the difference between Chinese and Western mentalities entered the public discourse. Though the quip may have been debunked, will it disappear from use? As Zhou might have appreciated: it's simply too early to say. - See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/blog/ne...s-famous-saying-debunked#sthash.gdRxRLmJ.dpuf
http://www.historytoday.com/blog/news-blog/dean-nicholas/zhou-enlais-famous-saying-debunked
Perhaps the Szyrza plans were equally based on a blog - enabled them to be emphatic when there seems, even on this thin evidence to be some doubt
The bizarre conviction that Greece would be given more time in order to hold a referendum was based on just such a speculative basis
Enjoy your solid convictions
I could not find any other corroborating info
I'm sure you have plenty of time on your hands and can dig some more speculative stuff out

 

[butchersapron]

Even that's wrong - it took part during a dinner as came up as part of a multi-party discussion of recent revolutionary/insurrectionary events - 1951, 53, 56, the various 68s etc See Nixon's actual interpreters account. He (zhou) fully understood the question as the context demonstrates. It was the idiots who reported it wrong based on the presumptions of inscrutable and wise chinese seers - not Zhou - who've gave this legs. And people prepared to parrot QIisms as history of course.

 

[quiquaquo]

Run out of notes to put in ATMs before the referendum starts and the result is a guaranteed yes vote.

Simple but devastating. Bastards.