Greek elections

[DotCommunist]

Good piece - and this from recntly upper-middle class. The yes vote is not as secure as many presumed - not with the last three polls all showing neck and neck:

'I'll Vote No With Both Hands:' An 85-Year-Old's Story Of Struggle In Greece

every puff chested 'the greeks have overspent and must now pay' wanker should read that. Cos its your grandad/nan next. I'm so sick of this narrative that the greek people have done this to themselves.

 

[MochaSoul]

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2015-07/greece-future-letter-referendum

Just read what these bastards are saying. I have no words

 

[butchersapron]

That's the Carrion Crow.

 

[frogwoman]

Thing is, what comes next after syriza?

 

[MochaSoul]

On the other hand:

http://www.gazzetta.gr/plus/article/767971/thomas-piketty-lenders-proposal-bad-and-recessionary

The plan the lenders propose to Greece is bad and recessionary and the answer is no, said French economist Thomas Piketty to Belgian newspaper Le Soir adding that despite the brutal threat of Greece's exit from the eurozone and the financial strangulation by the ECB, he understands why many Greeks are attracted by the 'yes' vote. He reminded that the Europeans broke their promise in 2012 over the restructuring of the Greek debt.
Asked if the eurozone could face a Grexit and this would mean that the common currency would become more fragile, Piketty said " Those who believe that a country's exit from would bring stability and discipline in the eurozone are sorcerer's apprentices. In reality, a country's exit would bring a huge shock to the eurozone in the whole. It would, probably be, the beginning of the end..."

 

[butchersapron]

Thing is, what comes next after syriza?

Syriza. They're not going away- a new election will return them stronger.

 

[MochaSoul]

I'm really annoyed I never got to lean Greek.
Shouting "Oxi" as I watch the demo live on RT. Son looking at me suspiciously.

 

[MochaSoul]

More from Donald Tusk, courtesy of Reuters. Striking a conciliatory note, the European Council president said if Greeks vote ‘No’ to the bailout package there will be less room for negotiations but the aim remains to keep the eurozone united.
He added:
Maybe we will have to get used to living with a country as a member of the eurozone in bankruptcy.

Just in from The Guardian live thingmg

 

[MochaSoul]

^^^http://www.politico.eu/article/tusk...-politics-grexit-greece-referendum-crisis/^^^

 

[Poi E]

Course Germany has never been in a position of imprudent government, wanton military expenditure, civil discord, a broken economy and nations willing to restructure its debt to give it a competitive advantage.

 

[MochaSoul]

Tsipras at Syntagma with eng trans

 

[gosub]

A court on the other hand...

Fuck knows what would have happened if they'd cancelled it, (presumably why they didn't)

From what I've seen today, in the event of a no vote, coup three days later

 

[J Ed]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/03/us-eurozone-greece-imf-idUSKCN0PD20120150703?irpc=932

Euro zone countries tried in vain to stop the IMF publishing a gloomy analysis of Greece's debt burden which the leftist government says vindicates its call to voters to reject bailout terms, sources familiar with the situation said on Friday.

The document released in Washington on Thursday said Greece's public finances will not be sustainable without substantial debt relief, possibly including write-offs by European partners of loans guaranteed by taxpayers.

 

[MochaSoul]

Fuck knows what would have happened if they'd cancelled it, (presumably why they didn't)

From what I've seen today, in the event of a no vote, coup three days later

The court did overrule it.

 

[butchersapron]

Fuck knows what would have happened if they'd cancelled it, (presumably why they didn't)

From what I've seen today, in the event of a no vote, coup three days later

On what basis are you impugning the courts decision?

 

[butchersapron]

Did they think they were playing with idiots?

It emerged that Greek banks have a buffer of €1bn – enough cash to last them until Monday, when the European Central Bank will decide whether to increase loans to Greek banks.

 

[gosub]

On what basis are you impugning the courts decision?

I'm not, they didn't cancel it. right decision. The void of what would have happened if they had outways nonsense question and short notice issues.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not, they didn't cancel it. right decision. The void of what would have happened if they had outways nonsense question and short notice issues.

Yes you are - you're saying they didn't follow proper legal procedure but political convenience.

(and that you're an expert in the greek constitution)

 

[MochaSoul]

I'm not, they didn't cancel it. right decision. The void of what would have happened if they had outways nonsense question and short notice issues.

Except that implies the court had a political reason to overrule the appeal rather than a legal one. That's a serious charge.

 

[quiquaquo]

Fuck knows what would have happened if they'd cancelled it, (presumably why they didn't)

From what I've seen today, in the event of a no vote, coup three days later

Old style military coups can't happen any more in the EU. It's a simple change of economic policy and government now.

 

[J Ed]

I have read a few examples of people arguing that polling companies are intentionally overstating yes, can there be any truth to this or is it CT territory?

 

[butchersapron]

I have read a few examples of people arguing that polling companies are intentionally overstating yes, can there be any truth to this or is it CT territory?

Private companies can falsify stuff. To argue that they are with no evidence is pointless - and into the gloopy end of stuff.

 

[Poi E]

Old style military coups can't happen any more in the EU. It's a simple change of economic policy and government now.

Coup by technocrats these days

 

[butchersapron]

Has italy got an elected govt back yet?

 

[MochaSoul]

I have read a few examples of people arguing that polling companies are intentionally overstating yes, can there be any truth to this or is it CT territory?

I haven't read it anywhere but I've thought it. Except I also thought it's a strategy that can fail disastrously.
In 98 the Portuguese called a referendum re relaxing abortion law (Portugal had one of if not the harshest abortion law in Europe). One after the other, the polls predicted a yes to the question. Come the day, most people relied on everyone else to vote apart from the religious. Another referendum was called in 2002.

ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_abortion_referendum,_1998
Later ref called in 2007 not 2002

 

[gosub]

Did they think they were playing with idiots?

Don't see how ECB can say Greek banks are solvent until after EU funding arrangements agreed

 

[butchersapron]

Don't see how ECB can say Greek banks are solvent until after EU funding arrangements agreed

Yeah?

 

[quiquaquo]

Athens No live: http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/...-ad-atene-la-diretta/206108/205214?ref=HRBV-1

 

[quiquaquo]

Has italy got an elected govt back yet?

Keep taking the meds.

 

[butchersapron]

This is what finance capital propaganda looks like.