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Gordon Brown savaged in a speech in the European parliament by Daniel Hannah MEP

I don't think there will be a 1997 style landslide, and it's possible there might be some sort of coalition, but i just can't see the Tories retaining the 'redwall' seats, and they are vulnerable to the Lib Dems as well in those 2-way marginals . Part of me wants a 1997 style landslide, just to see hordes of Tory MPs having to face the cameras at the count and see the defeat etched into their smug faces, but part of me doesn't want a Starmer landslide either :D
They've promoted 30p Lee and are, as someone smarter than me asserted, using him as a way of drawing out the arrogant woke left.
 
They've promoted 30p Lee and are, as someone smarter than me asserted, using him as a way of drawing out the arrogant woke left.

They need to be careful with that strategy - and I'm sure Labour MPs and candidates are being drilled in what to say and what not to say in the run up - 30pLee is a useful idiot for the Tories (oh, dammit it's working :D ) but he's not a fan of the strikers - or their reasons for striking - claiming that no one on £30k a year needs to go to a food bank, which is a self-inflicted wound for the tories, it reminds people that there are food banks (and a little digging reveals that the numbers of food banks have multiplied enormously under the tories) and it reminds people of the cost of living crisis - and working class people are union members too.

I've a feeling it will end in tears and he'll say something even more outrageous at some point and have to resign - he's mostly feathering his nest - hoping for a Lords gig and a GBnews talking head contract - he's one of the red wall Tory MPs who is likely to be a one -term MP.

Plus, he is ex-Labour and that doesn't seem to come out in the press much - he got into a pickle and was suspended over comments and actions against Travellers. The more he puts himself in the eyes of the media, the more likely he is to fuck up.
 
They've promoted 30p Lee and are, as someone smarter than me asserted, using him as a way of drawing out the arrogant woke left.

Also a big mistake on the Tories' part to assume that everyone who's working class agrees with or identifies with him
 
They need to be careful with that strategy - and I'm sure Labour MPs and candidates are being drilled in what to say and what not to say in the run up - 30pLee is a useful idiot for the Tories (oh, dammit it's working :D ) but he's not a fan of the strikers - or their reasons for striking - claiming that no one on £30k a year needs to go to a food bank, which is a self-inflicted wound for the tories, it reminds people that there are food banks (and a little digging reveals that the numbers of food banks have multiplied enormously under the tories) and it reminds people of the cost of living crisis - and working class people are union members too.

I've a feeling it will end in tears and he'll say something even more outrageous at some point and have to resign - he's mostly feathering his nest - hoping for a Lords gig and a GBnews talking head contract - he's one of the red wall Tory MPs who is likely to be a one -term MP.

Plus, he is ex-Labour and that doesn't seem to come out in the press much - he got into a pickle and was suspended over comments and actions against Travellers. The more he puts himself in the eyes of the media, the more likely he is to fuck up.
I sort of agree. But I fear the likes of the Guardian will end up looking like enemies of the working class, despite Anderson's awful comments (and ideas, including today exhuming the idea of capital punishment). This is precisley because he's 'gaffe prone' and rough around the edges. Labour Mp's might be briefed, but i'm not convinced about the media. Talk TV loves him (fwiw)
 
I sort of agree. But I fear the likes of the Guardian will end up looking like enemies of the working class, despite Anderson's awful comments (and ideas, including today exhuming the idea of capital punishment). This is precisley because he's 'gaffe prone' and rough around the edges. Labour Mp's might be briefed, but i'm not convinced about the media. Talk TV loves him (fwiw)
The last thing we want is the likes of the Guardian looking like enemies of the working class.
 
The last thing we want is the likes of the Guardian looking like enemies of the working class.
If it helps the Tories, then yes it is the last thing we need. I don't care about the Guardian. I care that people are persuaded to vote Tory because of the likes of the tofu eating wokerati who also no doubt want to steal away brexit
 
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If it helps the Tories, then yes it is the last thing we need. I don't care about the Guardian. I care that people are persuaded to vote Tory because of the likes of the tofu eating wokerati who also no doubt want to steal away brexit
The Guardian is irrelevant now , old media doesn't have the impact it used to have .
 
Tbh his abiding friendship with scooter club Nazis should be enough to sink him as and when it gets a proper airing.

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That dpends if there are media outlets who will discuss it. His response will be to blame woke media for trying to cancel him of course. This factoid has been circulating a lot. Hopefully it will now he's deputy chair- deputy to the chair.
 
Brown's downfall very much shows how much oligarchs control the political process and discourse in this country. When he increased the top rate of tax to 50p the entire bourgeois media turned on the New Labour project. The spectre of the wealthy having to pay anything at all for the crisis they caused was enough to railroad the snug relationship that the revisionist Blairite clique had fostered with the oligarch press (remember the absurdly overblown bigotgate scandal?). It was the dress rehearsal for the even more hysterical red scare mongering over the Great Boss Man Corbyn that landed us with the present political crisis.
 
Brown's downfall very much shows how much oligarchs control the political process and discourse in this country. When he increased the top rate of tax to 50p the entire bourgeois media turned on the New Labour project. The spectre of the wealthy having to pay anything at all for the crisis they caused was enough to railroad the snug relationship that the revisionist Blairite clique had fostered with the oligarch press (remember the absurdly overblown bigotgate scandal?). It was the dress rehearsal for the even more hysterical red scare mongering over the Great Boss Man Corbyn that landed us with the present political crisis.

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The Guardian is irrelevant now , old media doesn't have the impact it used to have .

The media is irrelevant yet it also brought down the last Labour Government.
 
It may have escaped your notice but me and marty21 are two different posters.

No. I am aware of that Jeff. I merely highlight two perspectives: one that a PMC dominated media is irrelevant and dead. The other suggesting shadowy media 'oligarchs' can bend elections to their will. Others can decide which account, if either, is persuasive.
 
Both are sort of true and sort of not. It's certainly the case that the "legacy" news media is struggling and in some ways in decline. But it's also true that the perspectives of the broader media landscape are still, to a great and possibly even increased degree, directed by that legacy. And quite a lot of political effort has gone in to keep them that way - the likes of Facebook and Twitter have long since quietly de-prioritised "non-mainstream" outlets which hands the likes of the Telegraph, Mail etc extraordinary power in the social media sphere.
 
Tbh his abiding friendship with scooter club Nazis should be enough to sink him as and when it gets a proper airing.

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Weird the whole scooter club nazi stuff. We had some members of one based in Stockport and around New Mills about fifteen years ago . Keep the Faith stickers and Keep Britain White badges. I went to the pub, where they had a club night , one afternoon with some mates and had a few beers and a snoop around. Landlord was quite friendly and when I asked about a scooter club he was very forthcoming. Had a chat about Lambrettas etc and he very kindly brought out a photo album of a scooter club day out , went through their names, and said one of them would be in a tea time as he only lived a couple of streets away and mentioned the street. Unfortunately, we had other obligations later but thanked him for his help.
 
Things as a claimant are markedly worse now than they were when brown was pm

Much of that is due to the direction of travel and a form of public discourse about welfare that was created under Blair/Brown. Can't remember which one gave the vile James Purnell the welfare brief but I think it was Brown.

You'd expect the tories to be cunts about welfare, but once Labour started joining in with it the debate about how to help people was basically over and done with; replaced with a debate about exactly how cruel we should be to those in need and how much profit the private sector could extract from their suffering.
 
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