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Gordon Brown savaged in a speech in the European parliament by Daniel Hannah MEP

MEP's are allowed to stand up and make longer speeches than our own MP's in the House of Commons. Even if Hannan was in our H of C, he would have been unable to have made that speech due to the time scale allowed. The only chance was to make it where he did.

Check out the 71 honours for that video on You Tube - it's a real eye opener, plus 5300 for the speech, 700 against - on those that voted.
 
Combustible said:
Daniel Hannan has also appeared on Fox News condemning the NHS and supporting the US 'system' of healthcare.

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Hannan must be one of the most right wing politicians in UK. He must not get power. Healthcare has never been as good as it is now - and it needs to distributed to those who need it. For example, I've been in hospital twice. Once to be born, once to have a broken arm set. I've been to my doctors twice in the last 10 years. The lady who lives downstairs from me has been in and out of hospital over the last 5 years - hysterectomy, breast cancer, broken ankle - she is on benefits and couldn't afford health care privately. Nor could I, if I were to get ill. The health and well-being of citizens is everyone's business - therefore paying our national insurance for health-care is the best option. The responsiblity for this needs to be centralised, not devolved to employers or private individuals.

Everyone should watch this video. Hannan craves public acclaim and political power - he is Hubris personified - compassionless, scapegoats 'socialism' for the ills of British society. Britain would be a worse place if Hannan gets more power.
 
Zachor said:
Within reason I don't care which party the MEP who has made this comment has come from. Its a true reflection on how many see Gordon the Economic Morons handling of the economy. People from all parties and none warned of the dangers of having Britain in the position of having some of the highest personal debt in the world years and years ago but nothing was done.

Fuck Fred the Shred if anyone should be in the dock it should be the architect of the debt culture Gordon Brown.
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One can imagine what you'll say when/if the Tories get into power.
 
Combustible said:
Daniel Hannan has also appeared on Fox News condemning the NHS and supporting the US 'system' of healthcare.

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Fox News? Interesting...

Hannity probably thinks that he lends gravitas to his anti-healthcare reform rant. He even quotes the Daily Hate ffs. "The road to socialism", my arse.
 
And by the power of the internet, Hannah becomes a global political guru? I don't wanna see this person anywhere near Westminster.
 
I'd say send him to America, but our American cousins have got their work cut out for them dealing with their own wingnuts, let alone ours.
 
www.standard.co.uk

Londoner’s Diary: Hannan takes the bull by the horns ... in secret

Daniel Hannan hides identity when writing about bullfighting / Laura Bates on one way women are fighting back against cat calling / Ewan McGregor’s nightmare in Tangier / Jeanette Winterson on what the Royals and TikTok users share
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

Not content with watching bulls get slowly stabbed to death, hannan has also enjoyed watching his party slowly stabbing the economy of the UK to death for the last 12 years
 
I mean the UK's economy is basically like a dead or dying bull on its last legs at this point, waiting for the matador (Rishi Sunak) to deal the final blow, which he can't quite do, so it keeps on stumbling around hopelessly :(

Which is great if you're Dan Hannan but not really for anyone else
 
pug said:
Gordon Brown was the best prime minister in my lifetime so far.


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He was part of the problem. He was part of the neoliberal Blair government that made things worse for the working class and contributed to the 2008 crash and made the absurd claim just prior to that crash that he would 'end boom and bust'. He was part of the government that got us involved in the catosphrophies of the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan and which had racist policies when it came to asylum seekers. Also if you were a claimant when he was PM things were very shit. It was also Gordon Browns' idea to start what soon became Armed Forces Day. The likes of Daniel Hannan are also ofcourse absolute scum..
 
AmateurAgitator said:
He was part of the problem. He was part of the neoliberal Blair government that made things worse for the working class and contributed to the 2008 crash and made the absurd claim just prior to that crash that he would 'end boom and bust'. He was part of the government that got us involved in the catosphrophies of the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan and which had racist policies when it came to asylum seekers. Also if you were a claimant when he was PM things were very shit. It was also Gordon Browns' idea to start what soon became Armed Forces Day. The likes of Daniel Hannan are also ofcourse absolute scum..
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'The best' isn't really saying much tbf is it
 
frogwoman said:
Like yep Gordon Brown was shit, the likes of John Major, Tony Blair, David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak have arguably been worse though.
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Indeed. Compare and contrast Brown's management of 2007 banking crisis to the management of the latest capitalist crisis by Johnson/Truss/Sunak. You can criticize Brown for his fundamental mistakes (city deregulation) and his obvious political limitations (not nationalising the banks, not directing the investment given to them etc) but he's a giant compared to the clueless 1980's (bad) tribute act we've currently got.
 
AmateurAgitator said:
He was part of the problem. He was part of the neoliberal Blair government that made things worse for the working class and contributed to the 2008 crash and made the absurd claim just prior to that crash that he would 'end boom and bust'. He was part of the government that got us involved in the catosphrophies of the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan and which had racist policies when it came to asylum seekers. Also if you were a claimant when he was PM things were very shit. It was also Gordon Browns' idea to start what soon became Armed Forces Day. The likes of Daniel Hannan are also ofcourse absolute scum..
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You're not fussed by Sierra Leone or the balkan adventures then
 
AmateurAgitator said:
He was part of the problem. He was part of the neoliberal Blair government that made things worse for the working class and contributed to the 2008 crash and made the absurd claim just prior to that crash that he would 'end boom and bust'. He was part of the government that got us involved in the catosphrophies of the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan and which had racist policies when it came to asylum seekers. Also if you were a claimant when he was PM things were very shit. It was also Gordon Browns' idea to start what soon became Armed Forces Day. The likes of Daniel Hannan are also ofcourse absolute scum..
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Things as a claimant are markedly worse now than they were when brown was pm
 
frogwoman said:
Somewhat bizarrely, Hannan has claimed that the 1930s were the period when the most economic growth happened in Britain.
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I don't know who your article is for, but there is some basis for Hannan's claim. See Egerton on this below and also his history of the 20th Century. The main drivers were the war economy and the expansion of the welfare state.

academic.oup.com

Warfare State: Britain, 1920-1970. By David Edgerton. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2006. xv + 364 pp. ISBN 056216856361 (Hardback, £45.00), 0521672317 (Paperback, £19.99).

This is one of the most important general books on British twentieth century history to be published for a long time. Its significance lies not only in the subs
academic.oup.com academic.oup.com
 
Blimey a 14-year callback thread, don't see many of them.

I think Brown gets more credit than he deserves tbh, he may have followed the plan reasonably well in 2007-2008, but he was as much responsible for Labour's betrayal of the trade unions, pro-private agenda etc as Blair. As Chancellor he had opportunities to divert the path, and didn't.

And now he's sat at the right hand of Starmalama, consistent in his attachment to neoliberal mediocrity.
 
The Tories are now in the same position Labour were in then, eeking out their last months in power - probably most Tories now accept that they won't win the GE , as I suspect Labour MPs were thinking in 2009.
 
Karl Masks said:
I wish their loss was a foregone conclusion, but I don't think that's the case at all.
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I don't think there will be a 1997 style landslide, and it's possible there might be some sort of coalition, but i just can't see the Tories retaining the 'redwall' seats, and they are vulnerable to the Lib Dems as well in those 2-way marginals . Part of me wants a 1997 style landslide, just to see hordes of Tory MPs having to face the cameras at the count and see the defeat etched into their smug faces, but part of me doesn't want a Starmer landslide either :D
 
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