butchersapron
Bring back hanging
In fact, i'm pretty sure there's an argument for further deregulation of all aspects of the economy buried in that stuff about the private sector.
Gordon Brown savaged in a speech in the European parliament by Daniel Hannah MEP
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Nothing wrong with looking at previous statements that someone has made in similar areas.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
tee hee
gosub
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The state of public finances
please explain how the public sector will be generating the wealth to pay for that?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yes, well the doom and gloom associated with the failure to complete the gilt auction on account of 10% of the gilts has been remarkably reversed today in the bond market auction. As with 99% of journalism associated with the recession, it's reactive, lacks analysis, and can be contradicted by the following days events and conclusions are ultimately reliant on whichever axes the journo has to grind.
gosub
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From that piece :
"the state has never needed to borrow as much money. According to the Ernst & Young Item club, in the two years 2009-10 and 2010-11, the government will probably have to raise £350bn.
That is more debt bequeathed to its successor than the total borrowed by successive rulers and governments of Britain between 1691 and 1997, the year Labour was elected. "
reactive and contradictory on a dialy basis my arse
"the state has never needed to borrow as much money. According to the Ernst & Young Item club, in the two years 2009-10 and 2010-11, the government will probably have to raise £350bn.
That is more debt bequeathed to its successor than the total borrowed by successive rulers and governments of Britain between 1691 and 1997, the year Labour was elected. "
reactive and contradictory on a dialy basis my arse
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yes, and? Take another think tank and another journo and you'll get a different number, a different amount of money being borrowed and a different opinion.
Where are the comparisons with other states and their levels of govt debt? Where's the context?
Where are the comparisons with other states and their levels of govt debt? Where's the context?
gosub
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Have you actually bothered reading the link? Because whilst the gist is to take Ernst and Young's figures and contextualize them historically two paragraphs down from the ones I quoted was "Public finances are deteriorating at the fastest pace in the Group of 20 countries, according to the International Monetary Fund"
"tired and lacking depth" you sure that isn't projection
"tired and lacking depth" you sure that isn't projection
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yes, I did read the link and it contains nothing that I couldn't read in half a dozen other pundits. Find me another half dozen pundits and you'll find different opinions. That quote from the IMF - all that does is say that it's deteriorating quicker, doesn't say in relation to what, does it? Doesn't say 'Will be as bad as X or Y in Z months', it just says deteriorating. And given that gilt auctions, for example, could be seen as a good indicator of the confidence investors have in UKGs ability to pay things back.
The entire article predicates itself on the failure of one auction; it'll be interesting to see how Mr Giles reports on the fact that this mornings auciton was 3 times oversubscribed and how that is 'symptomatic of the state of public finances'.
The entire article predicates itself on the failure of one auction; it'll be interesting to see how Mr Giles reports on the fact that this mornings auciton was 3 times oversubscribed and how that is 'symptomatic of the state of public finances'.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Whoever said 'maybe Cameron should listen and learn' doesn't realise that this sounds like it's straight out of Central Office. Cameron can't stand up and make that sort of speech just yet, he needs to be nearer the election or running. But they can judge the popularity of the speech type, and rattle the old sabre a bit 18 months out from the election.
First time I saw the video of the speach on youtube I was -very- impressed with the content and the delivery. Passionate, rationale and punchy. I nodded whilst I read some of the "you gave it to Gordy LOLz!!!!" type posts.
Hannah's vid is now amongst the most watched on the net. He rulz 'cos he 0wned Broon....
.. But thinking about it, it would be nice to have some /context/ of the speach.
- What was the platform or topic? Was it a "have a go at Br00n" day?
- Did any one have a chance to say anything against Hannah's comments, particularly Brown?
- Will Brown Rick-Roll Hannah in a counter action?
- Will Jackie "CCTV iz guud and I know vere you live" Smiff log commentors to have them lined up and shot?
- Will Hannah be Kellified? So one day he walks his dog and takes loads of tables, falls off a cliff and shoots himself?
Hannah's vid is now amongst the most watched on the net. He rulz 'cos he 0wned Broon....
.. But thinking about it, it would be nice to have some /context/ of the speach.
- What was the platform or topic? Was it a "have a go at Br00n" day?
- Did any one have a chance to say anything against Hannah's comments, particularly Brown?
- Will Brown Rick-Roll Hannah in a counter action?
- Will Jackie "CCTV iz guud and I know vere you live" Smiff log commentors to have them lined up and shot?
- Will Hannah be Kellified? So one day he walks his dog and takes loads of tables, falls off a cliff and shoots himself?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
It's Hannan, not Hannah. FFS.
Altho I like the idea of Pa Broon Rickrolling someone
Altho I like the idea of Pa Broon Rickrolling someone
gosub
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Brown had just addressed the EUropean parliament. The various Euro political groupings put forward somebody to reply, plus a few Independants get called (Hannan is an independant), each has 3mins to say what they want without interuption. Hannan does not appear to be on the lists for reelection to European Parliament in May, imagine he will be standing for Westminster Parliament if we are allowed an election. Derek Draper was on Daily Politics
reckoned his blog has taken it apart line by line so they are trying.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Brown had just addressed the EUropean parliament. The various Euro political groupings put forward somebody to reply, plus a few Independants get called (Hannan is an independant), each has 3mins to say what they want without interuption. Hannan does not appear to be on the lists for reelection to European Parliament in May, imagine he will be standing for Westminster Parliament if we are allowed an election. Derek Draper was on Daily Politics
Hannan isnt an independent, he is a Tory.
gosub
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He is a Conservative MEP for the South East of England, however the EUropean Parliament recognises Parties that have members from at least 3 (or is it 7 now) countries. Tories at present forfill that by coming under the EPP umbrella. Danial Hannan resigned from the EPP a while ago. The tories are planning on catching up with him (they have announced their intention to leave the EPP at the next Euro election)
Katzenjammer
Very Infrequent Poster
Now about 730,000 + views. Tory or not a well delivered speech like that is exactly what's needed.
You sound like a Brezhnev era apparatchik giving the party line
You sound like a Brezhnev era apparatchik giving the party line
oh dear Daniel oh dear oh dear...
October 2004
http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/the-magazine/cartoons/12658/blueeyed-sheikhs.thtml
October 2004
http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/the-magazine/cartoons/12658/blueeyed-sheikhs.thtml
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
The Dressing Down of Gordon Brown
Of course, but some of the content does reflect the public mood, and quoting John Smith was genius, and ironic, but that doesn't make Hannan good, it makes John Smith good - check out some of his other speeches.
The Labour loon that C4 got in to discuss the Hannan's dressing down of Gordon Brown comes out badly: , but the Labour loon is right about this - if Rush Limbaugh, and further-right supporters like Hannan, then be wary of Hannan's positioning, which is to the right of Cameron. He probably reads Rand too.
I think we should choose 10 Housewives over 60 years of age to the be next-prime minister. They be better at running the economy than Brown.
Of course, but some of the content does reflect the public mood, and quoting John Smith was genius, and ironic, but that doesn't make Hannan good, it makes John Smith good - check out some of his other speeches.
The Labour loon that C4 got in to discuss the Hannan's dressing down of Gordon Brown comes out badly: , but the Labour loon is right about this - if Rush Limbaugh, and further-right supporters like Hannan, then be wary of Hannan's positioning, which is to the right of Cameron. He probably reads Rand too.
I think we should choose 10 Housewives over 60 years of age to the be next-prime minister. They be better at running the economy than Brown.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
travellerlife
Well-Known Member
Apologies if this has been posted on this thread before, but is a far better, and far cleverer, speech from last year in the Commons.
That really is an excellent speech, quite funny but deadly serious in message. It is more effective due to the imagery he conjures up, as everyone listening to it can imagine in their minds eye, Winky Mc F*cknut's dropped jaw, and fake grinning facade, smiling while Blair trumps him again.
Everyone should read Rand - or at least try to - if only to better argue against her. Know thy enemy.
It made Sky News this morning. They showed a small clip of Hannan's speech; the bit where he called Brown "pathologically incapable" etc.
It is quite interesting how the output of videos on Hannan's Youtube account has increased dramatically in the last 24 hours. Most of which have a link to his book. Is he an MEP or an internet entrepreneur attempting to make an opportunistic killing with his affiliate royalties from Amazon?
I guess I was wrong. The man is a cock.
It is quite interesting how the output of videos on Hannan's Youtube account has increased dramatically in the last 24 hours. Most of which have a link to his book. Is he an MEP or an internet entrepreneur attempting to make an opportunistic killing with his affiliate royalties from Amazon?
I guess I was wrong. The man is a cock.
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