The one in the not-racist pub
You think police bullying is unique to black people? That the police are racist cunts shouldn’t be a reason to place economically disadvantaged white people in some special category.
It's not that it's unique, it's that statistically black people are subjected to police attention more often than white people, and as a result have a specific relationship generated that is less prevalent in white populations. It's obviously inaccurate to suggest that white people can't experience police bullying, and class-related factors can easily reproduce (or on the flip side partly eliminate) similar symptoms of prejudice/habitual activity, but it's not systemic across the entire white population based on that instant visual cue and the actions required to work through it are thus different, likely with an added layer of complexity.
The police are racist cunts so I won’t argue that BAME can attract more grief from them. But at a time where we have both a BAME prime minister (with a bank account filled with millions) and Home Secretary, the term has plumbed new depths as to how useful it is to actually attract disenfranchised people towards class politics imo.
Yeah, and this is where intersectionality can be very useful, but only if one of the categories it considers is economic class. Otherwise you end up with things like the grotesque Women's Party, or whatever it was called, fronted by extremely rich white women claiming to represent the political interests of all women. No, a woman working in a factory shares political interests first and foremost with the people she is working alongside, female or male, not someone in the boardroom deciding how best to cut all their wages just because she's a woman.
I loathe how class is a spoke on the wheel of intersection theory. It should be the axle.
maybe they just wouldn't ventilate their complaints around you
100%. The problem with intersectionality, imv, isn't that someone came up with it but that it was immediately co-opted by grotesque liberal fuckwits stuffing it into a Lean In box.
Given we’re mates I imagine they would.
maybe ask them next time you find yourself at work, you'll likely hear that all manner of things happened to them you never knew about.
Are you speaking on behalf of working class women?
Furthermore his mum actually WORKS for the police in an IT role iirc.
It’s not just about getting more hassle from the filth.
Cos conversations meander naturally.
Yes, and Fay Weldon spoke about how she regretted some of the forms feminism took in the 60s and 70s for this very reason. But that's the point about including social/economic class in the mix. Centring on it, even, as Magnus said. Not everyone who is using the tools of intersectionality does this. It's a good idea that can easily get mangled, as seen with the recent women's party.
Not necessarily.jyst because they haven't complained about being pulled over or told you about being pulled over, it doesn't mean that they've never been pulled over by the police.
Recently had an argument with (white American) drinking associate, who reckons he's liberal and he's of the opinion that BLM and trans rights have "gone too far".
I think the dynamics differ somewhat in the US, where I suspect the theory stems from, than the UK. Which confuses it somewhat given how UK centric this board is.
You didn’t ask him?
I suspect the greater tremble is to do with a sense of being loosed from the comfort of sameness. Knowing your position in the world and its general ruleset is a big, scary pillar to kick away and for all the puffery about toughness and stoic competence, most blokes aren't well equipped for that even before you get to the bit of making room for others.
"Black lives do matter, it's just a question of how much."
