Golliwog in the window - should this really be in court?

[PR1Berske]

"Lad culture" is the absolute worst.

 

[krtek a houby]

Boorish 'laddy' behaviour can be worst among public-school types, for sure. Laddish posturing combined with a sense of entitlement.

Yup. Not all the supporters who came over for the rugby world cup in 2019 were as well behaved and beloved as the media back home liked to trumpet.

 

[Joe Chi Min]

I've never felt unsafe in a group of rival rugby fans, but can't say the same about football fans.

Oh gosh those oafs in Japan 2019: some of them checked out after the altogether rather reasonable time of 10am many asked for a knife and fork when in ramen shops and didn’t slurp their noodles like a good citizen and a few even made eye contact with strangers in public which was a beheading offence in the Tokugawa Ieyasu era

 

[Joe Chi Min]

It’s really nowhere near the same level of outrageous and appalling behaviour is it?



I’ve heard the stories about Tabasco sauce on your nob and drinking pints of all sorts at the Hong Kong rugby 7s… But these fucking mutants are another level:



I saw it myself at Wembley last last week: giving a German woman serving beers misogynistic grief and then dashing off with the pints without paying, looking to stir up shit with anyone they come across (especially the non-white folks), and just that general ‘there’s 30,000 of us so what you gonna fucking do’ attitude.

 

[krtek a houby]

What's interesting is that some people see fit to dismiss the incidents in Japan without having been there at the time, knowing what went on, or even witnessing a few of them.

Suffice to say, some rugby fans are entitled wankers at the very least, and arrogant bigots who you'd swear had never been out of D4.

 

[Joe Chi Min]

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[krtek a houby]

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[Shippou-Sensei]

"Lad culture" is the absolute worst.

Also wasn't lad culture from the late 90s to early 2000s?

Lad as in Looser Aging Devorcé

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I don’t think anyone’s actually doing that. I can’t speak for anyone else, but if I didn’t like the tone of banter in a particular bar I would leave and not return.

If that was to me, over what I said about my impression (while inviting someone to help me learn), then I didn’t ‘sneer at working class culture’, or even seek to draw a monolithic association between football and working class culture. I said I associated football supporters with negative things, with my fathers family*, as in uncles, cousins, etc. I am the only member of that family (I suppose technically my son is too, but he doesn’t really know them so it doesn’t really count) without a criminal record - something I hope continues, hence my not, for instance, picking arguments with strangers in pubs because I’ve overheard some ‘banter’.

*They do happen to be working class, but that’s not why they’re disreputable. Both my father and his father (but none of the rest of them) were talented artists, naturally brilliant with a sketch book and without the privilege to turn it into a living, which is just as much ‘working class culture’ as the liking for football that they all shared. And it’s specific to my case that their love of football went hand in hand with their love of a good scrap. That does colour a persons views.

If it was just a general accusation to nobody in particular, then I can’t say I’ve seen anyone sneering about working class culture. Only a couple of people assuming that football casuals = working class culture, and making an accusation of others motives from that basis. On the contrary, people have been open about their bias regarding football fans, freely admitting that’s it’s irrational and outdated, and hoping to change it.

I do have this instinctive association with football fans, in spite of myself, and I recognise it’s not the full picture - which is why I said please do share the anecdote. It sounded like it might be positive and happy.

Not everything is a battle, or a preparation for one.

I think one thing that doesn't get commented on about football crowds generally, is how accepting they can be. In the sense that there's a definite sense of ritual, and of being on the same side. Of course people who want a fight has historically been a thing amongst football crowds but equally there's always been a lot of people who are maybe a bit awkward or who find socialising difficult for whatever reason for who being in the crowd can be a bit of a safe haven. And a lot of people there are just geeky football nerds to be honest. There's a lot more in there than casuals or whatever IME.

 

[Tanya1982]

Yup. Not all the supporters who came over for the rugby world cup in 2019 were as well behaved and beloved as the media back home liked to trumpet.

Yes, they’re vile. In my university days, it was always time to leave the pub when the rugby boys turned up. The vibe went back several decades. Even on a different floor they’d be singing ‘get your tits out’ at someone within seconds. They tried with me now and again, but I don’t react. Pretending they don’t exist while drinking up and leaving is the best course of action.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes, they’re vile. In my university days, it was always time to leave the pub when the rugby boys turned up. The vibe went back several decades.

they made me hate the sight of chinos with black belts

 

[Tanya1982]

I think one thing that doesn't get commented on about football crowds generally, is how accepting they can be. In the sense that there's a definite sense of ritual, and of being on the same side. Of course people who want a fight has historically been a thing amongst football crowds but equally there's always been a lot of people who are maybe a bit awkward or who find socialising difficult for whatever reason for who being in the crowd can be a bit of a safe haven. And a lot of people there are just geeky football nerds to be honest. There's a lot more in there than casuals or whatever IME.

That’s nice. I really liked reading that post.

 

[xenon]

I used to hate rugby fans because they all seemed like posh braying conceited wankers. But I know a lot of what I would call normal people, even friends, who like and go to watch rugby. It's quite big in Bristol and the west country I guess.

I've not followed football properly for a couple of years but wasn't in the habit of going to games but feel fine around football fans in pubs. I don't wear a shirt of the team I nominally follow though.

 

[eatmorecheese]

I used to hate rugby fans because they all seemed like posh braying conceited wankers. But I know a lot of what I would call normal people, even friends, who like and go to watch rugby. It's quite big in Bristol and the west country I guess.

I've not followed football properly for a couple of years but wasn't in the habit of going to games but feel fine around football fans in pubs. I don't wear a shirt of the team I nominally follow though.

Rugby fans remind me of my school days (posh thick entitled braying cunts). Hated them and the compusory rugby playing I was forced into participating in.

Funnily, I don't mind watching the sport now. It is riven with class division (rugby union) with one exception: Wales. Tidy.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Rugby fans remind me of my school days (posh thick entitled braying cunts).

having occasionally ended up on a train through twickenham on match days (i now make more of an effort to avoid it) they do make me more keen for an armed revolution...

 

[krtek a houby]

Yes, they’re vile. In my university days, it was always time to leave the pub when the rugby boys turned up. The vibe went back several decades. Even on a different floor they’d be singing ‘get your tits out’ at someone within seconds. They tried with me now and again, but I don’t react. Pretending they don’t exist while drinking up and leaving is the best course of action.

We had them pissing against the wall in Dublin years ago to causing bar owners serious grief in Japan. Not annoying banter, but actual smashing up stuff, jumping the bar, drunkenly causing scenes over bills, soberly causing scenes over having to queue, and yes, a smattering of racism.

Not all the fans, obviously. But with the offenders? It was entitlement run wild, like nobody had ever told them "no" before.

Am not against the game and occasionally enjoy watching it.

 

[marty21]

Yes, they’re vile. In my university days, it was always time to leave the pub when the rugby boys turned up. The vibe went back several decades. Even on a different floor they’d be singing ‘get your tits out’ at someone within seconds. They tried with me now and again, but I don’t react. Pretending they don’t exist while drinking up and leaving is the best course of action.

I went to a big rugby uni (Swansea) and the rugby lads could be annoying , however, friday and saturday nights in the city centre were often carnage (maybe they still are ) when the valley boys came to town, itching to beat up soppy students - and quite often they miscalculated and picked on rugby lads

 

[GarveyLives]

(Source: as stated in image)​

Braverman-backed pub owner boasted his golliwog dolls hung like lynching victims

Goodbye ... and good riddance:

(Source: as stated in images)​

Shut south Essex pub which was at centre of 'golly dolls' controversy is up for sale

 

[nobody’s houby]

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Prob the best point you’ve ever made on here

 

[nobody’s houby]

Oh gosh those oafs in Japan 2019: some of them checked out after the altogether rather reasonable time of 10am many asked for a knife and fork when in ramen shops and didn’t slurp their noodles like a good citizen and a few even made eye contact with strangers in public which was a beheading offence in the Tokugawa Ieyasu era

Best thing about this is it’s all culturally accurate, but pissy pants couldn’t bring himself at any point to admit defeat

 

[nobody’s houby]

They used to do a 6.5% version in Thailand which got banned

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