Golliwog in the window - should this really be in court?

[Spymaster]

There’s no viable left wing party any more.

No left wing party but there are plenty of left wing people who push an uber-left agenda. They're all over these boards for starters!

The ultra-policing of words and willingness to take offence at the drop of a hat .... all lefty-woke-wank, that everyone else rolls eyes at. Not just right wingers.

 

[Rob Ray]

No left wing party but there are plenty of left wing people who push an uber-left agenda. They're all over these boards for starters!

The ultra-policing of words and willingness to take offence at the drop of a hat .... all lefty-woke-wank, that everyone else rolls eyes at. Not just right wingers.

If that's what you're saying then you don't mean there's an "extreme left agenda," you mean there's some lefties on the internet who you dislike.

 

[Spymaster]

If that's what you're saying then you don't mean there's an "extreme left agenda," you mean there's some lefties on the internet who you dislike.

I don't necessarily dislike them. I just think they're a bit twatty and should be ignored.

 

[Rob Ray]

And yet you invest them as representing The Left. Funny that.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I remember being in a pub once and some bloke was ranting about forrins. So I asked him which foreigners he didn’t like. My mate creased up as he could see where we were going with it. I can’t remember what he said but it involved the word Jews to which I replied, I’m Jewish, what’s wrong with me!? (I’m totally not btw).
From then on he’d always fall silent when I entered the pub and concentrate on reading his newspaper.

 

[Spymaster]

And yet you invest them as representing The Left.

Would you disagree that they all identify as leftists or "of the left"?

 

[8ball]

And yet you invest them as representing The Left. Funny that.

This is the point beyond which "The Left" and "extreme left agenda" get used to mean different things by all involved.

 

[danny la rouge]

Not more innocent no. Just with decades less defeats - on a global scale - behind us.

For example, at that point we could probably still have avoided catastrophic climate change.

This raises one of the points that annoy me about the way discourse on climate change has been allowed to go; that we’re blaming “generations” for “allowing” climate change. Young people in Generation Z (my children’s generation), like Greta Thunberg, are “doing something”, but my generation, Generation X, “allowed” our current predicament to happen.

First of all, in the 80s I was active on the environment; many of us were. The people who held everything back were not a “generation” but a class. The ones with the power are still a class rather than an age group, and will still be if Generation Z also “fails”.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Would you disagree that they all identify as leftists or "of the left"?

It’s a funny term really. I think it means the left side of the house so Labour basically.

 

[chilango]

No left wing party but there are plenty of left wing people who push an uber-left agenda. They're all over these boards for starters!

The ultra-policing of words and willingness to take offence at the drop of a hat .... all lefty-woke-wank, that everyone else rolls eyes at. Not just right wingers.

Oh, for sure, I push an "uber-left" agenda (I prefer the term "Ultra-Left" though, it's more precise) but I really don't think the world at large needs to be the slightest bit concerned about me getting anywhere with it, do you?

 

[8ball]

This raises one of the points that annoy me about the way discourse on climate change has been allowed to go; that we’re blaming “generations” for “allowing” climate change. Young people in Generation Z (my children’s generation), like Greta Thunberg, are “doing something”, but my generation, Generation X, “allowed” our current predicament to happen.

First of all, in the 80s I was active on the environment; many of us were. The people who held everything back were not a “generation” but a class. The ones with the power are still a class rather than an age group, and will still be if Generation Z also “fails”.

Nice distraction, though.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

No left wing party but there are plenty of left wing people who push an uber-left agenda. They're all over these boards for starters!

The ultra-policing of words and willingness to take offence at the drop of a hat .... all lefty-woke-wank, that everyone else rolls eyes at. Not just right wingers.

I can’t abide any of that safer spaces or white privilege crap.

 

[Spymaster]

Oh, for sure, I push an "uber-left" agenda (I prefer the term "Ultra-Left" though, it's more precise) but I really don't think the world at large needs to be the slightest bit concerned about me getting anywhere with it, do you?

I definitely think it's a component of a long list of things that push people away from left-leaning politics.

 

[danny la rouge]

Nice distraction, though.

Perfect deflection. And one even Greta - although I think she’s generally great and very impressive - falls into. I think she’s trying to shock people into action, and I hope it works, but I fear it’s being used by vested interests as just another way of obscuring what it is that actually has to change.

 

[Rob Ray]

Would you disagree that they all identify as leftists or "of the left"?

Yes. In fact the vast majority identify as liberals.

There are certainly leftists who talk a load of old shite, but that's not what you've been projecting, is it. What you try and do is paint The Left as a single blob of people who are represented by outlandish anecdotes.

 

[The39thStep]

No left wing party but there are plenty of left wing people who push an uber-left agenda. They're all over these boards for starters!

The ultra-policing of words and willingness to take offence at the drop of a hat .... all lefty-woke-wank, that everyone else rolls eyes at. Not just right wingers.

and no doubt compiling lists of who should be banned

 

[scalyboy]

‘Golly In The Window’ could easily be a Morrissey song title

 

[chilango]

This raises one of the points that annoy me about the way discourse on climate change has been allowed to go; that we’re blaming “generations” for “allowing” climate change. Young people in Generation Z (my children’s generation), like Greta Thunberg, are “doing something”, but my generation, Generation X, “allowed” our current predicament to happen.

First of all, in the 80s I was active on the environment; many of us were. The people who held everything back were not a “generation” but a class. The ones with the power are still a class rather than an age group, and will still be if Generation Z also “fails”.

Nothing to with "generations" per se, more to do with the onward march of time.

So if we (I'm Gen X too, and was also an eco-activist back in the day) had "won" in the 70s/90s we would have prevented the catastrophic nature of the climate changes that are underway. If we win now in 2023 that is no longer possible and victory will be too late to prevent that and more about managing its impact.

I guess my argument is similar regarding the march of neoliberalism. So much damage has already been done and we can't turn the clock back and make it "unhappen".

 

[Spymaster]

What you try and do is paint The Left as a single blob of people who are represented by outlandish anecdotes.

Nope. Absoultely not. And I've been clear about that.

Some of my best friends are lefties.

 

[Rob Ray]

Nope. Absoultely not. And I've been clear about that.

Some of my best friends are lefties.

This you?

There is most definitely an extreme left agenda

 

[danny la rouge]

Nothing to with "generations" per se, more to do with the onward march of time.

So if we (I'm Gen X too, and was also an eco-activist back in the day) had "won" in the 70s/90s we would have prevented the catastrophic nature of the climate changes that are underway. If we win now in 2023 that is no longer possible and victory will be too late to prevent that and more about managing its impact.

I guess my argument is similar regarding the march of neoliberalism. So much damage has already been done and we can't turn the clock back and make it "unhappen".

Yes, I wasn’t accusing you of the generations fallacy.

 

[chilango]

I definitely think it's a component of a long list of things that push people away from left-leaning politics.

I think there's some truth in that. But it's a minor factor tbh. After all the Right are succeeding whilst being fronted by some utterly ridiculous people.

 

[chilango]

Yes, I wasn’t accusing you of the generations fallacy.

It is an easy trap to fall into, I find myself teetering constantly. Well, usually after speaking to my parents!

 

[Rob Ray]

I think there's some truth in that. But it's a minor factor tbh. After all the Right are succeeding whilst being fronted by some utterly ridiculous people.

And incorporating incredible levels of policing against much, much more invasive things than mere turns of phrase. The Left is apparently beyond the pale when people say mean things on the internet (which of course right-wingers never do) while the right is off merrily making laws sending refugees to Rwanda or dumping them in container ships.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

‘Golly In The Window’ could easily be a Morrissey song title

How much is that Golly in the window

 

[8ball]

I think there's some truth in that. But it's a minor factor tbh. After all the Right are succeeding whilst being fronted by some utterly ridiculous people.

Which particular ridiculous people?
I think some of the people you may be thinking of may be ones I consider as just being used to keep what passes as the left happily Twitter-spatting away in the corner.

 

[Elpenor]

Come on folks, it’s clear that Spymaster is bored on a Friday afternoon at work and is bringing out his “evil lefties routine”

 

[pbsmooth]

‘Golly In The Window’ could easily be a Morrissey song title

The last of the famous international golleywogs

 

[Elpenor]

‘Golly In The Window’ could easily be a Morrissey song title

Probably on his upcoming album

 

[Yossarian]

Gollfriend in a Coma