Ghostbusters reboot

[krtek a houby]

Aw why did you bite?

Couldn't you see how much they were itching to have this argument with you?

You weren't replying but they still kept posting and posting towards your imagined response. Desperate to don their social justice warrior plumage.
So desperate it was whimsical

Now you've made their day giving them what they wanted.

You forgot

 

[Poi E]

Liked the original for its lovely treatment of widescreen by the late Kovacs. Gave it a class that outweighed its Sat Nite Live jokiness. The obsessive/neurotic characters played by Harold Ramis and Rick Moranis seemed to presage the characters of the Seinfeld sort. The new film, with its natural reliance on loads of CGI, suffers as with al of its ilk from the cinematographer not being able to determine proper scope when so much is shot second/third/fx unit. Guess this film was the start of it but much was superimposition rather than manipulation. Worth a download.

 

[Gromit]

If we can have male and female nurses, doctors etc - why not actor.

We will... eventually.
It will take a bit longer because actress was very much in common usage and doctress and nursor weren't.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Hi Johnny, I'm krtek and people tell me not to do or say stuff all the time

I wouldn't say it's a term of abuse - especially when compared to the other terms - but it is, let's say, ignorant, belittling, maybe when you consider that it's entering the realms of archaic. If we can have male and female nurses, doctors etc - why not actors?

It is and it isn't. It just doesn't fit, anymore.

And if you ever meet an actor who happens to be female & refers to herself as an actor; I assume you'd do the same, no?

Well, yeah, most other professions don't separate on gender, but that doesn't mean actress is inherently wrong. The English language has quirks. Quirks are okay if a jury would be unlikely to find them offensive.

I suppose if I met someone who considered themselves to be an actor rather than an actress, I'd make a special attempt out of respect for that person... just as I'm John, not Johnny, in real life. However, I haven't seen any landslide of opinion or reason that appeals to stop the use of the term generally. I do think people should resist changing their behaviour unless there's very good reason to. Too many people trying to tell others what to do!

 

[Gromit]

You forgot

VP and Kabbes are a them?

 

[Santino]

Who decides it's outdated and incorrect?

Is it men?

 

[Gromit]

Someone throw seamstress and tailor into the mix of this argument please

 

[Santino]

Someone throw seamstress and tailor into the mix of this argument please

Seamstress and actress both famously euphemisms for prostitute, of course.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Is it men?

Nope. I discuss films and tv shows enough with men and women to know that actress is a term still in use, very much more so than actor as a substitute.

 

[krtek a houby]

Well, yeah, most other professions don't separate on gender, but that doesn't mean actress is inherently wrong. The English language has quirks.

I suppose if I met someone who considered themselves to be an actor rather than an actress, I'd make a special attempt out of respect for that person... just as I'm John, not Johnny, in real life. However, I haven't seen any landslide of opinion or reason that appeals to stop the use of the term generally. I do think people should resist changing their behaviour unless there's very good reason to. Too many people trying to tell others what to do!

Well, yes. And no. It's down to context, environment and acceptance of what people are and aren't comfortable with. Which can go both ways, in the case of this thread ...

As for too many people dictating what can and cannot be said - I guess that all boils down to context & who's saying it to who. For instance; I've had plenty of hetero folks (and some gay folks) over the years tell me; as a bisexual, what I can or can't do & how bisexuals behave, interact and the nature of their sex lives. Like we're all a big homgenous blob... some of it, when said to my face I can dismiss or put them right immediately. But when it's anonymous neanderthals online; there's a limit to how much you can change their mind. I find I usually cannot when it comes to that particular subject.

But that's straying away from things by miles. Don't cross the streams etc! I'm sure the success or failure of the film in question will not be down to gender or nomenclature but rather the quality of script...

 

[Santino]

Nope. I discuss films and tv shows enough with men and women to know that actress is a term still in use, very much more so than actor as a substitute.

So, yes. You have decided.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

So, yes. You have decided.

I've decided for me, yes, It's a word I've used around other people IRL and - surprise - no-one's ever mentioned it as being offensive. I'm not going to tell you what term you should use.

 

[Reno]

Liked the original for its lovely treatment of widescreen by the late Kovacs. Gave it a class that outweighed its Sat Nite Live jokiness. The obsessive/neurotic characters played by Harold Ramis and Rick Moranis seemed to presage the characters of the Seinfeld sort. The new film, with its natural reliance on loads of CGI, suffers as with al of its ilk from the cinematographer not being able to determine proper scope when so much is shot second/third/fx unit. Guess this film was the start of it but much was superimposition rather than manipulation. Worth a download.

No more was shot second or third unit then than is now. They didn't shoot the effects for the original in camera, they combined everything in an optical printer and the fact that fx are composited digitally now makes no difference to the composition.

 

[kabbes]

I've decided for me, yes, It's a word I've used around other people IRL and - surprise - no-one's ever mentioned it as being offensive. I'm not going to tell you what term you should use.

It's you that is offensive. You. Not the word actress. You.

 

[toggle]

Nope. A misogynist hates women. I do not. Not agreeing with every feminist idea you have doesn't make me a misogynist.

If you want to talk about language, a first step might be not to overuse the term 'misogynist' - because that actually is offensive.

not half as fucking offensive as your insistence that you understand women's experiences better than they do.


tbh jv, i'm perfectly happy with the use of the term misogynist for someone who thinks that their deliberately blinkered viewpoint on women's experiences has a right to trump the actual lived experiences of actual women. because that level of sticking your fingers in your ears and refusing to listen is fairly indicative of a massive fuckiing problem with women. as in actual women, not these imaginary stepford creatures you seem to want us to be.

 

[toggle]

Aw why did you bite?

Couldn't you see how much they were itching to have this argument with you?

You weren't replying but they still kept posting and posting towards your imagined response. Desperate to don their social justice warrior plumage.
So desperate it was whimsical

Now you've made their day giving them what they wanted.

for a self proclaimed non MRA, you don't half quack like one.

 

[toggle]

Someone throw seamstress and tailor into the mix of this argument please

if i thought you actually wanted to talk about gendered language, i'd explain.

but i think this is another example of you waving shit about, because you think this is funny.

it's not btw.

at least, it's not for anyone who isn't proud of their ignorance.

 

[toggle]

i can think of a word beginning with 't' that most people seem to think its OK to use too.

i do know what you mean.

but i can't resist the urge to sat that the word i'[m thinking of the most that begins with a t is twat. cause the ignorant twat brigade is out to play again.

 

[Poi E]

No more was shot second or third unit then than is now. They didn't shoot the effects for the original in camera, they combined everything in an optical printer and the fact that fx are composited digitally now makes no difference to the composition.

Yup, knew it was optical effects but stand corrected. Guess Kovas just made it look NYC gritty and lush at the same time, but he probably didn't spend too much time with a green screen and actors wearing dots.

 

[Reno]

Yup, knew it was optical effects but stand corrected. Guess Kovas just made it look NYC gritty and lush at the same time, but he probably didn't spend too much time with a green screen and actors wearing dots.

He spent quite some time with a blue screen, which is what they used back then and they used it a lot in Ghostbusters. Actors in green dots are used for motion capture, which I doubt they'll use in the new Ghostbusters. They are still shooting the actual locations and then they add the effects, just like they did then.

It was hugely technical back then too and it was something the DOP had to take into consideration. The lack of digital effects doesn't make anything "more authentic" with a special effects film like Ghostbusters. If the cinematography for this new one will be not as good, then it has nothing to do with the effects. If anything, the effects are integrated in a way that far more seamless now and what you don't get are these effects shots which are more grainy than the rest of the film, which is what happens when a film runs several times though an optical printer and goes down several generations.

 

[Reno]

Just checked and the cinematography is by Robert Yeoman who is a great cinematographer who has shot most of Wes Anderson's films, so there is reason why this shouldn't look good.

 

[krtek a houby]

It looks fun but I think the hate and misogyny is getting way over the top where is it all coming from?

 

[Idris2002]

where is it all coming from?

Capitalism.

 

[krtek a houby]

Capitalism.

???

 

[Idris2002]

???

The operation of the capitalist system produces social problems that are manifested in cultural displays of, e.g., misogyny and hate.

 

[Reno]

It looks fun but I think the hate and misogyny is getting way over the top where is it all coming from?

The Internet, which is dominated by geek boys, many of whom are idiots.

The "critic" for Cinemassacre", refuses to review the film and has been called "heroic" for it. Somehow he didn't mind reviewing all the male lead reboots, remakes and somesuch: Twitter Shits Itself After Whiny Man-Baby Refuses To Review 'Ghostbusters'

 

[krtek a houby]

The operation of the capitalist system produces social problems that are manifested in cultural displays of, e.g., misogyny and hate.

And this misogyny and hate is manifested solely within the capitalist system?

 

[Reno]

The operation of the capitalist system produces social problems that are manifested in cultural displays of, e.g., misogyny and hate.

Stop the press, global billion $$$ industry called out for capitalism !

 

[Reno]

And this misogyny and hate is manifested solely within the capitalist system?

Of course not.

 

[krtek a houby]

Stop the press, global billion $$$ industry called out for capitalism !

I ain't 'fraid of no groats!