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Germany v Argentina (Final) Sunday 13th July 2014

Oh stop with your whining. A poor team got deservedly thrashed, utterly deservedly. The fans got to see some great games, so they should be happy. Fuck Brazil.

I'm not disputing that. I'm not saying that had to win. I'm saying that the anti-Brazil sentiment seems to be going a bit too far. People are relishing it somewhat unnecessarily. I made a decent case. Bit petty to call it "whining".
 
Who's the greatest player in the world THIS WEEK though? The accelerated news cycle insists that this is up for continual debate, not once ever 2 years or so as it would be in a sane world or anytime pre-2002. TGPITW has been Suárez, Messi, Ronaldo at various points in the past 12 months and it only takes one overhead kick from Rooney to generate half a dozen articles arguing his case. It could be Neymar or Arjen Robben if either of them have three good league games in October, or it could be James Rodriguez by Christmas.

Who's the best right now?
Right now?
Well? Tell me. Who is it?
Voley nailed it with Stuart Downing:D
 
You made a shit case.

It was better than that post. I'll keep my fingers crossed for tonight and hope Argentina lose, so as not to compound the misery of the world's greatest people. I want Messi to win a World Cup, but not this one. Argentina have been awful to watch in this World Cup. Germany deserve it.
 
The anti-Brazil stuff is going too far now I think. It would have brought so much happiness to so many people in a way that a World Cup win for other countries simply can't. The vast majority 200 million people who love football in a way no-one else does, seeing their team win in their home country, would have been caue for the biggest party mankind has ever seen. Argentines spent decades being smug and looking down on Brazilians, considering themselves to be "European" and "not really South American". Anyone who wants to see the most arrogant country in Latin America rubbing it in to their historically poorer neighbours might want to reconsider.

Be pissed off at FIFA for their disgusting corruption and disregard for host nation's well-being, be angry at the Brazilian governments capituation to FIFA demands, support another underdog if you must, support the protests as I do, but give Brazilians a break as well. A better bunch of people you'll never meet, not in my experience at least, and we should be grateful, not hostile, to the fact that a developing country rather than a rich one has been the greatest nation in the history of the sport.

Come on Germany.

Brazil poor? Argentina rich?
And if they loved football the domestic game wouldn't be in such shit.

Oh and good on Neymar - he's the only Brazilian it seems supporting Argentina!
 
It was better than that post. I'll keep my fingers crossed for tonight and hope Argentina lose, so as not to compound the misery of the world's greatest people. I want Messi to win a World Cup, but not this one. Argentina have been awful to watch in this World Cup. Germany deserve it.
The world's greatest people?
 
Brazil poor? Argentina rich?
And if they loved football the domestic game wouldn't be in such shit.

Oh and good on Neymar - he's the only Brazilian it seems supporting Argentina!

A misrepresentation of what I said. Historically I said.
By your logic Rangers fans don't like Rangers. There's plenty else wrong with that simplistic analysis.

There are actually a small minority of Brazilians who have taken a kind of nihlistic attitude to it and are supporting Argentina, seemingly feel that they might as well hit rock bottom. A pretty small minority though.

Neymar plays for Barça. He's not daft. He doesn't want Messi pissed off at him and Masch looks like he gives out some pretty mean wedgies.
 
The anti-Brazil stuff is going too far now I think. It would have brought so much happiness to so many people in a way that a World Cup win for other countries simply can't. The vast majority 200 million people who love football in a way no-one else does, seeing their team win in their home country, would have been caue for the biggest party mankind has ever seen. Argentines spent decades being smug and looking down on Brazilians, considering themselves to be "European" and "not really South American". Anyone who wants to see the most arrogant country in Latin America rubbing it in to their historically poorer neighbours might want to reconsider.

Be pissed off at FIFA for their disgusting corruption and disregard for host nation's well-being, be angry at the Brazilian governments capituation to FIFA demands, support another underdog if you must, support the protests as I do, but give Brazilians a break as well. A better bunch of people you'll never meet, not in my experience at least, and we should be grateful, not hostile, to the fact that a developing country rather than a rich one has been the greatest nation in the history of the sport.

Come on Germany.
one word: "Scolari"

:mad:
 
The anti-Brazil stuff is going too far now I think. It would have brought so much happiness to so many people in a way that a World Cup win for other countries simply can't. The vast majority 200 million people who love football in a way no-one else does, seeing their team win in their home country, would have been caue for the biggest party mankind has ever seen. Argentines spent decades being smug and looking down on Brazilians, considering themselves to be "European" and "not really South American". Anyone who wants to see the most arrogant country in Latin America rubbing it in to their historically poorer neighbours might want to reconsider.

Be pissed off at FIFA for their disgusting corruption and disregard for host nation's well-being, be angry at the Brazilian governments capituation to FIFA demands, support another underdog if you must, support the protests as I do, but give Brazilians a break as well. A better bunch of people you'll never meet, not in my experience at least, and we should be grateful, not hostile, to the fact that a developing country rather than a rich one has been the greatest nation in the history of the sport.

Come on Germany.
I agree with much of that, but no way is Brazil a developing country. It's as wealthy as most European countries.
 
A single place behind Argentina. And a significantly more unequal society.

One more time. The historical disparity between Argentina and Brazil and the snobbish attitudes of one country to another. I made this clear. Argentines long considered themselves superior to other Latin Americans, with the economic climate only changing recently. Inequality in Buenos Aires would be of very similar levels of that in Rio de Janeiro, with areas similar to favelas in every respect except their relative horizontality.
 
One more time. The historical disparity between Argentina and Brazil and the snobbish attitudes of one country to another. I made this clear. Argentines long considered themselves superior to other Latin Americans, with the economic climate only changing recently. Inequality in Buenos Aires would be of very similar levels of that in Rio de Janeiro, with areas similar to favelas in every respect except their relative horizontality.
You argued it, but not very convincingly. And Brazil quite simply is more unequal.

Let's hope for a victory for socialism, made in Sheffield.
 
That show nothing, apart from the huge levels of inequality. I have just visited Brazil and there is no way it is anything other than a first world country.

Of course it shows something.

Secondly, here's a list of developing countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country

Brazil is in it.

I lived in Rio for 6 months.

Glad you had a nice time in Sao Paulo or whatever. Didn't make it to the North did you?
 
You argued it, but not very convincingly. And Brazil quite simply is more unequal.

Let's hope for a victory for socialism, made in Sheffield.

As you can see by looking at figures here, Brazil is more unequal than Argentina but not much so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

The stuff about Argentine attitudes and the awful poverty in Argentine cities, and the historical relationship between Argentine economies and other Latin American ones is all true. Sorry if fact isn't convincing for you.
 
Further apologies. Let's switch.

First goal-scorer.

Messi first, then a 2-1 win for Germany.

What do you lot reckon?
 
Not so much? 44 v 55, that's a 25% difference. Which is clearly a significant difference. Which isn't to say there is no poverty in Argentina, just that Brazil is significantly worse. As for your crude stereotyping of national characteristics, they sound very similar to the ones trotted out against the Germans.
 
All the Brazil hate is weird. They, the Brazilians have been royally fucked over by their govt and FIFA. The hope they held out for their football team which is practically a religion there was the only thing they could take heart from out of this tournament. That then their star player gets seriously injured and the team get owned by a superb German team isn't enough misery for a nation who in Belboid's own words is "significantly more unequal" than Argentina.

I'd have no beef with Argenita at all but were it not for this constant lording it over Brazil in some weird 'European' superiority complex - the near worship of drug cheat, football cheat, gun toting, cry baby Maradona is just fucking odd IMO and then there's the football team's own government pandering and politicising of football just a few weeks ago in the warm up matches. Yay imperialism!

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Fuck off. Germany FTW.
 
Not so much? 44 v 55, that's a 25% difference. Which is clearly a significant difference. Which isn't to say there is no poverty in Argentina, just that Brazil is significantly worse. As for your crude stereotyping of national characteristics, they sound very similar to the ones trotted out against the Germans.

Okay, you're right about everything and clearly more informed than me on the matter. I'm sorry I got it all so wrong.

Who do you reckon for first scorer?
 
Argentina have been seriously underwhelming throughout the entire World Cup too. Whereas Germany have been a joy to watch.

Messi my arse.
 
Argentina have been seriously underwhelming throughout the entire World Cup too. Whereas Germany have been a joy to watch.

Messi my arse.

I love Messi and I think he's worn out and has some health problems too. I think he's doing well considering. He kept vomiting and had leg niggles last season. I wish he could have 3 months off.
 
All the Brazil hate is weird.
No 'hate' for Brazil at all (except for the way they cheated), I simply have no time for this 'ahh, poor Brazil' bollocks. They lost, that's it. Whoever wins tonight wins on their own terms, it's effect upon Brazil and Brazilians should be wholly irrelevant.
 
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