George Galloway Debate

[belboid]

you'll dig it out? oh come on jockey, you know full well where you got it from! It was Nick Cohen speaking at the AWL summer school, a quick google finds no other source for anything similar.

Cohen, unsurprisingly, doesn't reference where he got it from.

 

[belboid]

I guess so.I hadn't noticed anyone worshipping GG

it's that old fashioned kind of worship I think, dont you remember the prayer?

"Dear God,
I think you're a bit of a shit
And really rather up your own arse
But you did quite good this time
Amen"

 

[dum dum]

lol

 

[Fez909]

Watch it here.

 

[cockneyrebel]

I quoted what Hitchens said on this occasion because I thought it was interesting and worth quoting.
The AWL debated Cohen at their summer school. The point of a debate is that it is with someone you disagree with.
They also had a self-described anti-Leninist speaking, who also spoke at the PR summer school.

The anti-anti-zionist thing is a dig at both 'anti-zionists' and more generally all those nihilists on the left who define their politics by what they're against.
I'm glad it's annoying the right people.

It's not annoying me, just confirming that you're a prick, just like Hitchens who you seem to admire.

And as for that beedy eyed Nick Cohen being someone the AWL disagree with, personally I think their politics are pretty similar but there you go.

 

[cockneyrebel]

name one organised group who are neither Islamist nor Ba'athist.

Yeap you and the other pro-occupation and pro-zionist AWL supporters think that everyone in Iraq who attacks the occupation is a mad islamist......

And as you support the US/UK troops being in Iraq, you'll obviously be against anyone who attacks them.

 

[In Bloom]

what the fuck are you on about? Have you forgotten what you wrote?


So my precis of your view strikes me as accurate, if its not please correct me rather than throwing all your toys out of the pram because someone has had the temerity to challenge you

I really am sorry if I'm being unnecessarily rude, but frankly, it fucking baffles me that anybody on the left actually expects me to justify not really caring what happens to a rich, powerful politician who is, in all probability, guilty as sin anyway.

 

[nino_savatte]

Muslim Association of Britain for one who are in turn associated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Then you have the disgraceful 'we are all Hizbollah' posters on a swappie demo.

So those of us who are still part of the anti-war movement are now to be painted with the same brush that paints the Muslims with - non? In other words, the anti war movement has been pronounced 'guilty by association' by the anti-Galloway/pro-occupation camp.

 

[cockneyrebel]

I really am sorry if I'm being unnecessarily rude, but frankly, it fucking baffles me that anybody on the left actually expects me to justify not really caring what happens to a rich, powerful politician who is, in all probability, guilty as sin anyway.

But it's not about caring for Galloway. It's about caring that the establishment are fitting someone up for his anti-war views. What Galloway is like is almost irrelevant.

 

[nino_savatte]

I'll dig the quote out when I have more time. Mind you I think the Galloway worshippers on here are clutching at straws here to try to defend their idol.

"Worshippers"? That's a wee bit over-the-top, do you not think?

 

[bluestreak]

Galloway in the Commons Yesterday

"If I may continue; in one of life’s delicious little ironies, the parliamentary commissioner turns out—I am grateful to The Daily Telegraph for this—to have once been the principal private secretary of the present Lord Hurd, who, in the 1980s, sat on the sofa with Saddam Hussein, helping to facilitate, as you will remember, Mr. Speaker, having been here with me, the supergun. Remember it—the arms to Iraq affair? That was the period in which the British Government were best friends with Saddam Hussein and I was outside the Iraqi embassy in London, demonstrating for human rights and democracy. That was the first of the ironies, but it is not the last."

Ah! The Thatcher years. How nice and clean and truthful they were. Not like our George baby-eater eh?

you have to admit he has a point.

 

[belboid]

I really am sorry if I'm being unnecessarily rude, but frankly, it fucking baffles me that anybody on the left actually expects me to justify not really caring what happens to a rich, powerful politician who is, in all probability, guilty as sin anyway.

that strikes me as the response of a man who cannae answer the points put!

 

[In Bloom]

But it's not about caring for Galloway. It's about caring that the establishment are fitting someone up for his anti-war views. What Galloway is like is almost irrelevant.

Yes, but it's not about what Galloway is like (though he is an particularly odious shithead, I wouldn't piss on the man if he was on fire), it's about his wider social role. I've no interest in defending an MP from being suspended for his political views, any more than I have an interest in defending my manager from being suspended for getting into an argument with one of their seniors.

 

[belboid]

not even if said manager were defending 'his' workers, against redundancy or somesuch?

 

[cockneyrebel]

Yes, but it's not about what Galloway is like (though he is an particularly odious shithead, I wouldn't piss on the man if he was on fire), it's about his wider social role. I've no interest in defending an MP from being suspended for his political views, any more than I have an interest in defending my manager from being suspended for getting into an argument with one of their seniors.

So if the manager was trying to stop bullying, bigotry or striking to stop redundancies you wouldn't give a shit if they were being victimised?

You'd have no interest in defending a communist MP who was being victimised?

 

[cockneyrebel]

you have to admit he has a point.

Something that the pro-zionist AWL and their supporters forget, preferring the likes of Hutchins and the Torygraph.

 

[dum dum]

communist MP

 

[In Bloom]

So if the manager was trying to stop bullying, bigotry or striking to stop redundancies you wouldn't give a shit if they were being victimised?

Yes, but I'd have to nip back home to feed the fairies at the bottom of my garden first.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

"Worshippers"? That's a wee bit over-the-top, do you not think?

Not really when you see how utterly blinkered Galloways supporters put on it certainly looks like worshipping him from where I'm sitting.

 

[cockneyrebel]

Yes, but I'd have to nip back home to feed the fairies at the bottom of my garden first.

This just isn't true. I've come across socialists who are managers (was one myself for six months, it was either take that through re-deployment or get laid off and I had to help pay my sisters mortgage). I got out of the job as soon as I could but went on strike while I was in the job and had frequent run ins with senior management.

And in the DTI even the bottom layer of workers are made to manage temps. It's not as black and white as you're making out.

And would you defend a communist MP who was being victimised?

 

[dum dum]

Not really when you see how utterly blinkered Galloways supporters put on it certainly looks like worshipping him from where I'm sitting.

Stop fannying around and just name the posters you consider to be GG worshippers.

 

[nino_savatte]

Not really when you see how utterly blinkered Galloways supporters put on it certainly looks like worshipping him from where I'm sitting.

Er, you described those who have spoken against the kangaroo court as "worshippers". Persumably this is a means of shutting down any discourse on the nature of the Commons motion. This means that I have now become a "worshipper". How pleasantly reductive of you.

I don't think anyone "worships" Galloway. I do think this is a blatant piece of politically motivated vindictiveness. The real culprits - those who lied to the Commons over Iraq - have been practically let off scot free. This is a way of diverting people's attention away from those real crimes: lying to Parliament and deceiving the public.

 

[Geri]

Yes, but it's not about what Galloway is like (though he is an particularly odious shithead, I wouldn't piss on the man if he was on fire), it's about his wider social role. I've no interest in defending an MP from being suspended for his political views, any more than I have an interest in defending my manager from being suspended for getting into an argument with one of their seniors.

It's not defending GG, it's attacking parliament. If you do it right anyway.

 

[cockneyrebel]

It's not defending GG, it's attacking parliament. If you do it right anyway.

Exactly.

 

[belboid]

Yes, but I'd have to nip back home to feed the fairies at the bottom of my garden first.

have you ever had a job?

 

[In Bloom]

have you ever had a job?

No, I don't need to eat or buy things, so I've not really bothered.

 

[belboid]

aah, that all makes sense then.

 

[In Bloom]

This just isn't true. I've come across socialists who are managers (was one myself for six months, it was either take that through re-deployment or get laid off and I had to help pay my sisters mortgage). I got out of the job as soon as I could but went on strike while I was in the job and had frequent run ins with senior management.

And in the DTI even the bottom layer of workers are made to manage temps. It's not as black and white as you're making out.

The thing is that there are managers and then there are managers. In some cases it's just a job title, or their only real "managerial" role is sorting out the rotas at the end of each month. That's not the kind of manager I'm talking about here.

Managers with real power, the ones that are essentially bosses, cannot be trusted. As workers, we must control our own struggles or risk having them taken out of our hands and used against us, which is why we have to maintain independence from bosses of all kinds. I've no interest in working alongside "nice" bosses, whether they do it out of personal avarice or some self-deluding benevolance. So yes, if my manager (my real manager, not the unit manager who has absolutely no power anyway) was trying to "defend" me and got sacked as a result, I'd have absolutely no qualms about leaving them to their fate.

And as it happens, I worked agency for quite a while not too long ago, I'm all too aware of the issues surrounding temporary workers and their relationship to permenant staff.

And would you defend a communist MP who was being victimised?

No, I wouldn't, I'd have thought that was pretty clear from my earlier posts on here.

 

[Das Uberdog]

Fucking hell KeyboardJockey - never in all my life have I encountered such a fucking waste of space as you. I have no idea how you justify your own views as being in the general best interests of a leftwing movement (if indeed you actually bother).

Galloway is obviously not guilty of any crime that actually, legally or morally exists, here. That shouldn't even be fucking disputed.

He doesn't own a 'villa' in either Spain or Portugal - he has a flat in Portugal which he bought with libel money won from the Daily Telegraph. Numerous times you have had the floor wiped with you by the likes of MC5 and ResistanceMP3 over the supposed allocation of Galloway's funds and wage (he has the highest staffing costs of any MP, yet one of the lowest allowances), the time he spends in his constituency (which when it is actually calculated is still around twice the amount of time Oona King spent there before him (despite regional and national speaking tours)) and pretty much every other issue under the sun upon which you choose to attack him - whilst pointing to 'good old' Labour MPs who've apparently stayed closer to their principles.

You're the worst kind of shit. Not just an idiot, but as blinkered against Galloway as the most ardent of his supporters are in favour of him. The case in point; you are failing to support an MP who has been stitched up over his anti-war and generally leftwing stance (whether or not you agree with him) he's still the fucking best MP in the house. No question.

Am I a blinkered worshipper, you patronising fuckhead?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Fucking hell KeyboardJockey - never in all my life have I encountered such a fucking waste of space as you. I have no idea how you justify your own views as being in the general best interests of a leftwing movement (if indeed you actually bother).

Galloway is obviously not guilty of any crime that actually, legally or morally exists, here. That shouldn't even be fucking disputed.

He doesn't own a 'villa' in either Spain or Portugal - he has a flat in Portugal which he bought with libel money won from the Daily Telegraph. Numerous times you have had the floor wiped with you by the likes of MC5 and ResistanceMP3 over the supposed allocation of Galloway's funds and wage (he has the highest staffing costs of any MP, yet one of the lowest allowances), the time he spends in his constituency (which when it is actually calculated is still around twice the amount of time Oona King spent there before him (despite regional and national speaking tours)) and pretty much every other issue under the sun upon which you choose to attack him - whilst pointing to 'good old' Labour MPs who've apparently stayed closer to their principles.

You're the worst kind of shit. Not just an idiot, but as blinkered against Galloway as the most ardent of his supporters are in favour of him. The case in point; you are failing to support an MP who has been stitched up over his anti-war and generally leftwing stance (whether or not you agree with him) he's still the fucking best MP in the house. No question.

Am I a blinkered worshipper, you patronising fuckhead?

If you think that Galloway (who hardly fucking turns up anyway) is the best MP in the house then you are a blinkered Galloway worshipper.

I gave Galloway many chances in the past when others were speaking out against him until I found out just what a shit he really is.