George Galloway Debate

[poster342002]

And in the DTI even the bottom layer of workers are made to manage temps.

Is that department a bastion of militancy and solidarity? Good turnout on strike days? If not - perhaps there's a link between that and the issue of making everybody a manager in so many workplaces (which the left is unwilling to do anything about or even say is wrong).

 

[belboid]

The thing is that there are managers and then there are managers. etc etc

quite, which is why we summarily dismissed your previous post. Similarly, imo, there are politicians and then there are politicians.

When does someone become a 'politician' in you view? Parliament, obviously, a local council? And functionary of a political organisation? Any role to which you are not subject to instant recall? Seems a meaningless non-description to me, where politician simply means someone whose politics we don't like.

 

[belboid]

Is that department a bastion of militancy and solidarity? Good turnout on strike days? If not - perhaps there's a link between that and the issue of making everybody a manager in so many workplaces (which the left is unwilling to do anything about or even say is wrong).

not that you're obsessed or owt

 

[poster342002]

not that you're obsessed or owt

Being a working class person has that effect on me. It's this class conflict thing - ever heard of it?

 

[In Bloom]

quite, which is why we summarily dismissed your previous post. Similarly, imo, there are politicians and then there are politicians.

When does someone become a 'politician' in you view? Parliament, obviously, a local council? And functionary of a political organisation? Any role to which you are not subject to instant recall? Seems a meaningless non-description to me, where politician simply means someone whose politics we don't like.

I could have been more precise in my terms, but as I've explained over and over again, it's not about GG's personal politics, it's about his role as an MP. It's pretty much impossible to give an exact dividing line where somebody goes from being politically active with a low key elected position to being, to all intents and purposes, a member of the boss class, just as it is with managers.

At the same time, in most cases, it's possible to make a judgement call, and MPs are a pretty fucking obvious example. The man has his own team of staff, political power, a massive expense account and an income of hundreds of thousands of pounds a year, he's a boss by any halfway sensible definition of the term, fuck him.

 

[belboid]

Being a working class person has that effect on me. It's this class conflict thing - ever heard of it?

yes its what you keep denying happens. so stick your rolleyes up your capacious arse wasteofspace1

 

[bluestreak]

It's not defending GG, it's attacking parliament. If you do it right anyway.

Agreed.

We can use this as a stick to beat them with.

Later one we'll use the same stick to beat Galloway too.

 

[poster342002]

yes its what you keep denying happens. so stick your rolleyes up your capacious arse wasteofspace1

Excpet I don't scamper around after my managers calling them "comrade" and seeking alliances with them nomatter how many times they treat me as an inferior.

 

[Wilf]

As an aside, I don't believe for a minute that Galloway didn't know where the money for the Mariam appeal was coming from. His whole career was built around having contacts throughout the middle east - and that fund was an extension of those contacts. Also, from memory, wasn't it run by one of his mates who also had 'extensive business contacts in the region'?

If his defenders want to think he was this naive office boy, getting all excited each time a cheque came in out of the blue ("ooh! Look, a hundred grand - I've no idea who sent that!") then they can. Doesn't seem very likely to me.

 

[belboid]

Excpet I don't scamper around after my managers calling them "comrade" and seeking alliances with them nomatter how many times they treat me as an inferior.

a - neither do i, nor anyone else i know

b - that's because you do nothing except whinge and whine

 

[dum dum]

As an aside, I don't believe for a minute that Galloway didn't know where the money for the Mariam appeal was coming from. His whole career was built around having contacts throughout the middle east - and that fund was an extension of those contacts. Also, from memory, wasn't it run by one of his mates who also had 'extensive business contacts in the region'?

If his defenders want to think he was this naive office boy, getting all excited each time a cheque came in out of the blue ("ooh! Look, a hundred grand - I've no idea who sent that!") then they can. Doesn't seem very likely to me.

HE HAS MATES WITH BUSINESS CONTACTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

 

[poster342002]

a - neither do i, nor anyone else i know

The trots do little else. Either that or they are in the management themselves, calling you "comrade" before disciplining you. After which they invite you to a union meeting on some other issue. Two-faced hypocrites and corporate ladderclimbers.

b - that's because you do nothing except whinge and whine

Gor, blimey lumme guv! I'll know ter shut me maaaf next time, guv! Don't want none of the likes o' me talking back in front of our betters, now, do we guv?

 

[gosub]

If you think that Galloway (who hardly fucking turns up anyway) is the best MP in the house then you are a blinkered Galloway worshipper.

I gave Galloway many chances in the past when others were speaking out against him until I found out just what a shit he really is.

Sort inclined to agree, just watched the footage (time stream is a bit deceptive its h/m/s not what I'm used to), there are times when he listens to the speaker, who comes across as not unsypathetic and goes at the inquiry or at least the how it was conducted, and makes some strong points. But he spends as much time making personal attacks which the speaker tells him he can't do and is stopped from speaking after about the sixth or seventh warning: If during a session into whether you have broken parliamentary standards you chose to ignore parliamentary standards, you will get thrown out. By about 4:40 was practically calling for it himself. A cheap shot.

 

[Wilf]

HE HAS MATES WITH BUSINESS CONTACTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

Okay then, what do you think about his links with Tariq Aziz, Fawaz Zureikat (sp?), Saddam etc?

 

[dum dum]

Okay then, what do you think about his links with Tariq Aziz, Fawaz Zureikat (sp?), Saddam etc?

You never said that though did you.You pointed out that a 'mate' of his had 'Extensive business contacts in the region.'The implication being that having contacts with middle eastern business is in someway something to be ashamed of.Do explain please

 

[Wilf]

You never said that though did you.You pointed out that a 'mate' of his had 'Extensive business contacts in the region.'The implication being that having contacts with middle eastern business is in someway something to be ashamed of.Do explain please

I mentioned the mate specifically:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawaz_Zureikat

and threw in Saddam and Tariq as a couple of people who should also be causing Galloway defenders to blush.

And yes, I think that anyone claiming to be on the left should steer well clear of the business class and political rulers of middle east dictatorships

 

[dum dum]

I mentioned the mate specifically:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawaz_Zureikat

and threw in Saddam and Tariq as a couple of people who should also be causing Galloway defenders to blush.

And yes, I think that anyone claiming to be on the left should steer well clear of the business class and political rulers of middle east dictatorships

Which middle eastern leaders should people on the left associate with? any in your opinion?

 

[In Bloom]

And yes, I think that anyone claiming to be on the left should steer well clear of the business class and political rulers of middle east dictatorships

Ultra-leftist

 

[Wilf]

Which middle eastern leaders should people on the left associate with? any in your opinion?

No, none in my opinion. Nor should they associate with the business leaders.

I'm curious too. Curious why you think the left should, apparently, build links with these elites?

 

[Wilf]

Ultra-leftist

Running Dog

 

[dum dum]

No, none in my opinion.

Seriously,in your opinion the left in this country should have nothing to do with any middle eastern leader

Thats quite a unique left wing view you've got going on there

 

[Wilf]

Seriously,in your opinion the left in this country should have nothing to do with any middle eastern leader

Thats quite a unique left wing view you've got going on there

See that, thats your mate that is

 

[dum dum]

See that, thats your mate that is

What a strange thing to say.

 

[Wilf]

What a strange thing to say.

Perhaps move your Irony Detector to higher ground. Looks like the flood waters have got to it.

 

[dum dum]

Perhaps move your Irony Detector to higher ground. Looks like the flood waters have got to it.

*watches tumbleweeds*

 

[Gumbert]

Sham trial by Parliament

Press release from George Galloway MP

"At least the United States Senate gave me an uninterrupted hearing,"
said an outraged George Galloway as the Speaker threw him out of the
Commons less than one third of his way through his speech of defence
against the so-called Standards and Privileges Committee.

"It has come to something," he continued, "When the leading anti-war MP
could get a fairer hearing in the Republican Senate than in the
British House of Commons.

"I was thrown out of Parliament this evening just as I had given one
example of the double standards that go to the heart of this matter.
Anyone watching this would have seen Parliament plunged into disrepute as
it absurdly decided - through agreeing my exclusion - that I am not
permitted to point to those double standards or to criticise those who have
produced this unjust report about me.

"We now have the absurdity in which the House of Commons has convinced
itself, or at rather pretends that it has, that 10 MPs sat in a
committee room somehow cease to be what they by definition are - highly
political people who together constitute a political tribunal.

"The public know that is so; MPs, if they were being honest, know it;
it's only in the chamber of the House of Commons that you are not
allowed to say so.

"I had much, much more to say about the report and the overarching
question of who it is in this Iraq affair who has brought Parliament into
disrepute. Instead, by voting to throw me out, the MPs present this
evening chose to conduct a kangaroo court in my absence.

"They may be happy to close their ears to the truth. Most people in
Britain - and abroad - are not.

"They will be outraged at this sham in what is supposed to be the
highest court of the land."

well said GG....

 

[grogwilton]

name one organised group who are neither Islamist nor Ba'athist.

The revolutionary Brigades of 1920, for a start.

 

[gosub]

If he had much to say about the report why didn't he say it, either in his defense in the Commons or in this press release. The first 18 days of the next session of parliament are, hopefully, going to be highly important, and he is clearly of the opinon that his political grandstanding is more important than giving the electorate of Bethnal Green a voice.

 

[Geoff kerr-morg]

George Galloway is at the head of the Stop The War Coalition which mobilised millions against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. He is also at the head of the largest electoral attack on Labour from the left in 60 years. The attempt to discredit Galloway is the establishment attempt to derail this anti war sentiment and stop the movement in it's tracks.

You don't have to like or agree with George Galloway to see this.
In my opinion the worst charlatans are those who say they are against these wars yet side with the establishment on demonising George. Or how can anyone say they are opposed to the wars above and then say they don't give a **** about the MP who has done the most to campaign against war?

I don't like swearing on public forums but I think people are using bad langauge on here to make themselves sound radical because they either have hidden agendas or having got a political brain.

Here is the press release from GG.

Sham trial by Parliament

Press release from George Galloway MP

"At least the United States Senate gave me an uninterrupted hearing," said an outraged Georgew Galloway as the Speaker threw him out of the Commons less than one third of his way through his speech of defence against the so-called Standards and Privileges Committee.

"It has come to something," he continued, "When the leading anti-war MP could get a fairer hearing in the Republican Senate than in the British House of Commons.

"I was thrown out of Parliament this evening just as I had given one example of the double standards that go to the heart of this matter. Anyone watching this would have seen Parliament plunged into disrepute as it absurdly decided - through agreeing my exclusion - that I am not permitted to point to those double standards or to criticise those who have produced this unjust report about me.

"We now have the absurdity in which the House of Commons has convinced itself, or at rather pretends that it has, that 10 MPs sat in a committee room somehow cease to be what they by definition are - highly political people who together constitute a political tribunal.

"The public know that is so; MPs, if they were being honest, know it; it's only in the chamber of the House of Commons that you are not allowed to say so.

"I had much, much more to say about the report and the overarching question of who it is in this Iraq affair who has brought Parliament into disrepute. Instead, by voting to throw me out, the MPs present this evening chose to conduct a kangaroo court in my absence.

"They may be happy to close their ears to the truth. Most people in Britain - and abroad - are not.

"They will be outraged at this sham in what is supposed to be the highest court of the land."

 

[Geri]

The revolutionary Brigades of 1920, for a start.

Nope.