George Galloway Debate

[In Bloom]

The point is, it's not about defending Galloway, it's about the fact that the establishment is fitting someone up because, in their eyes, he is too left wing.

It's like saying that because I disagree with islamic fundamentalism then I'm not gonna care about some bloke getting six years for holding up a placard.

It's really, really not. Ultimately, Galloway is one of their lot. They can do whatever the fuck they like with him for all the difference it makes to me or anybody I actually give a shit about.

The specific way in which he is being attacked can't even be used against anyone other than MPs, either.

 

[cockneyrebel]

Up to a point I agree its a situation where a turd is attacking another turd.

Hitchens is far worse than Galloway. He's the worst kind of slime. A no social skills slobbering creep who acts as a stooge to try and fit in and get some popularity but in reality it just adds to people's disdain for him. Even his "allies" probably think the same.

 

[cockneyrebel]

It's really, really not. Ultimately, Galloway is one of their lot. They can do whatever the fuck they like with him for all the difference it makes to me or anybody I actually give a shit about.

The specific way in which he is being attacked can't even be used against anyone other than MPs, either.

Whether you see him as "their lot" or not they are fitting him up because of his anti-war views and his perceived left wing views.

If you don't give a shit, fair enough.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Hitchens is far worse than Galloway. He's the worst kind of slime. A no social skills slobbering creep who acts as a stooge to try and fit in and get some popularity but in reality it just adds to people's disdain for him. Even his "allies" probably think the same.

I have no disagreement with you over Hitchens he makes my skin crawl as well which is why I used the phrase 'one turd attacking another turd'.

 

[In Bloom]

Too many walk through life in a daze of ringtones and tesco 'buy 1 get 1 free" rattling through their sieve-like minds.

Do the entire world a favour, fuck off and die.

 

[nino_savatte]

I do get the feeling that if this were another MP who was being suspended from the Commons, we wouldn't be having this 'discussion'.

 

[In Bloom]

Whether you see him as "their lot" or not they are fitting him up because of his anti-war views and his perceived left wing views.

If you don't give a shit, fair enough.

Well pardon my class analysis.

 

[belboid]

Chris Hitchens's reaction

http://www.slate.com/id/2170981/pagenum/all/#page_start

"I do not think that an 18-day suspension from the House of Commons is anything like enough punishment for what Galloway has done, first on behalf of a sadistic and genocidal megalomaniac and second to steal food and medicine from the mouths of desperate Iraqis."
"Just look at the gang that strove to prevent the United Nations from enforcing its library of resolutions on Saddam Hussein. Where are they now? Gerhard Schroeder, ex-chancellor of Germany, has gone straight to work for a Russian oil-and-gas consortium. Vladimir Putin, master of such consortia and their manipulation, is undisguised in his thirst to re-establish a one-party state. Jacques Chirac, who only avoided prosecution for corruption by getting himself immunized by re-election (and who had Saddam's sons as his personal guests while in office, and built Saddam Hussein a nuclear reactor while knowing what he wanted it for), is now undergoing some unpleasant interviews with the Paris police. So is his cynical understudy Dominique de Villepin, once the glamour-boy of the "European" school of diplomacy without force. What a crew! Galloway is the most sordid of this group because he managed to be a pimp for, as well as a prostitute of, one of the foulest dictatorships of modern times. But the taint of collusion and corruption extends much further than his pathetic figure, and one day, slowly but surely, we shall find out the whole disgusting thing."

fucking hell! the AWL go from bad to worse. You gonna ask hitch to join your bunch of pro-us imperialists simes? you'd make lovely bedfellows. at least hitchens can actually write, which might make solidarity a little bit more readable

 

[nino_savatte]

fucking hell! the AWL go from bad to worse. You gonna ask hitch to join your bunch of pro-us imperialists simes? you'd make lovely bedfellows. at least hitchens can actually write, which might make solidarity a little bit more readable

Isn't Hitch a signatory of the Euston Manifesto or am I confusing him with a similar tosspot?

 

[Simon B]

And that slimey, slobbering, pro-war shit can crawl back under the rock he came from. How he can say this while supporting Bush and Blair shows what a hyprocritical vile piece of slime he is. He really makes my skin crawl, a total creep. He reminds me of the office sneak or slimely bloke with no social skills who makes women's skin crawl.

Whatever you think about the war, what he said about Galloway is spot on. Not every opponent of the war felt it necessary to be an apologist for (or as Hitchens put is pimp/prostitute of) the Ba'athist state.
Your description is pretty much exactly how I think of Galloway. Odd that.

He is bitter that Galloway has raked him over the coals so often and also of Galloway's perceived charisma and "gorgeous george" label while he sits like a slug or Golum like character who most people (even of the same political persuasion) have nothing but contempt for.

Hitchens destroyed Galloway in New York because he debated rather than ranted.
I think the 'Gorgeous George' label is a piss take, as it is clearly how he sees himself.
I think most people see GG for what he is. A politically and morally bankrupt ranting demagogue.

 

[TAE]

Chris Hitchens's reaction
"Just look at the gang that strove to prevent the United Nations from enforcing its library of resolutions on Saddam Hussein."

Give us a break.

 

[cockneyrebel]

Well pardon my class analysis.

Personally I think you're being totally "ultra left". Just because Galloway is not my favourite figure doesn't mean I think it's ok for MPs who are anti-war to be fitted up.

 

[nino_savatte]

Whatever you think about the war, what he said about Galloway is spot on. Not every opponent of the war felt it necessary to be an apologist for (or as Hitchens put is pimp/prostitute of) the Ba'athist state.
Your description is pretty much exactly how I think of Galloway. Odd that.



Hitchens destroyed Galloway in New York because he debated rather than ranted.
I think the 'Gorgeous George' label is a piss take, as it is clearly how he sees himself.
I think most people see GG for what he is. A politically and morally bankrupt ranting demagogue.

By the same token what Galloway said about Hitchens is also true.

I don't think Hitchens ever "destroyed" Galloway.

 

[jiggajagga]

Galloway in the Commons Yesterday

"If I may continue; in one of life’s delicious little ironies, the parliamentary commissioner turns out—I am grateful to The Daily Telegraph for this—to have once been the principal private secretary of the present Lord Hurd, who, in the 1980s, sat on the sofa with Saddam Hussein, helping to facilitate, as you will remember, Mr. Speaker, having been here with me, the supergun. Remember it—the arms to Iraq affair? That was the period in which the British Government were best friends with Saddam Hussein and I was outside the Iraqi embassy in London, demonstrating for human rights and democracy. That was the first of the ironies, but it is not the last."

Ah! The Thatcher years. How nice and clean and truthful they were. Not like our George baby-eater eh?

 

[Simon B]

fucking hell! the AWL go from bad to worse. You gonna ask hitch to join your bunch of pro-us imperialists simes? you'd make lovely bedfellows. at least hitchens can actually write, which might make solidarity a little bit more readable

I'm an ex-AWL member. I do not represent them.
I'm now an individual.

 

[TAE]

I do get the feeling that if this were another MP who was being suspended from the Commons, we wouldn't be having this 'discussion'.

In that case I would have started a thread.

 

[In Bloom]

Personally I think you're being totally "ultra left". Just because Galloway is not my favourite figure doesn't mean I think it's ok for MPs who are anti-war to be fitted up.

Call me what you like. It's not about how I feel about Galloway personally, it's about the simple, undeniable fact that he is a career politician.

 

[cockneyrebel]

fucking hell! the AWL go from bad to worse. You gonna ask hitch to join your bunch of pro-us imperialists simes? you'd make lovely bedfellows. at least hitchens can actually write, which might make solidarity a little bit more readable

Is Simon B a supporter of the AWL? They just go from bad to worse. Cosying up to that right wing slime ball. Mind you their leadership have all the sliminess and lack of social skills that Hitchens has so they'd make a great bunch of creeps together.

Whatever you think about the war, what he said about Galloway is spot on. Not every opponent of the war felt it necessary to be an apologist for (or as Hitchens put is pimp/prostitute of) the Ba'athist state.
Your description is pretty much exactly how I think of Galloway. Odd that.

And you're missing the point that Hitchens "analysis" comes from him having his head shoved up Blairs/Bush's arse. Mind you as the AWL supports the occupation of Iraq I guess you must see Bush and Blair as some kinda allies.

Maybe you could have added Hitchens to your summer school along with that beady eyed worm Nick Cohen.

Hitchens destroyed Galloway in New York because he debated rather than ranted.
I think the 'Gorgeous George' label is a piss take, as it is clearly how he sees himself.
I think most people see GG for what he is. A politically and morally bankrupt ranting demagogue.

I'm not fan of Galloway but compared to Hitchens he has charisma in buckets. As said Hitchens is like a Golum like character who is bitter that everyone sees him as the pathetic loser that he is. Whether you like it or not there are a layer of people out there who find Galloway attractive, the same cannot be said of Hitchens. I assume that's where the "gorgeous" label partly comes from.

And as for debate, Hitchens is pathetic.

 

[DexterTCN]

He's. An. MP.

I just don't give a fuck what happens to him unless it involves an angry mob and a noose, to be quite frank.

Hopefully that'll be 6 years in jail for you.

(Slightly) more seriously this is just another travesty, however to be honest it certainly allows the scum to come to the surface, and gives GG plenty of ammunition for the future.

Do they never learn?

 

[cockneyrebel]

Call me what you like. It's not about how I feel about Galloway personally, it's about the simple, undeniable fact that he is a career politician.

I didn't say otherwise, but that's not what the establishment are attacking him for. They are fitting him up because of his anti-war views.

 

[jiggajagga]

Do the entire world a favour, fuck off and die.

See what I mean? Just about the limit of your political discourse. Well done little boy!

 

[cockneyrebel]

I'm an ex-AWL member. I do not represent them.
I'm now an individual.

I see you haven't lost their odious politics though.

 

[In Bloom]

See what I mean? Just about the limit of your political discourse. Well done little boy!

I don't waste my time engaging with sneering, elitist little shits, sorry.

 

[Simon B]

"Chris" Hitchens? You're that familiar with the gin-soaked auld pish heid?

I just could be bothered to right 'topher', but had to distinguish him from his brother.

 

[In Bloom]

I didn't say otherwise, but that's not what the establishment are attacking him for. They are fitting him up because of his anti-war views.

Leaving asides the fairly shaky evidence for that statement, afaic, it doesn't matter why a large group of MPs gangs up against another MP. Let them run around stabbing each other in the back all they like. At least it keeps them occupied for a few hours.

 

[Simon B]

I see you haven't lost their odious politics though.

Yes, I still don't praise Galloway for supporting the Islamist and Ba'athist death squads on the grounds of some nihilistic 'anti-imperialism'.

 

[cockneyrebel]

Leaving asides the fairly shaky evidence for that statement, afaic, it doesn't matter why a large group of MPs gangs up against another MP. Let them run around stabbing each other in the back all they like. At least it keeps them occupied for a few hours.

As said I think you're being ultra left. Basically it comes down to your views that electoral politics are a total waste of time. Fair enough, but I don't think it's that simple.

This is an example of the establishment attacking someone because of their anti-war views (what other reason do you think it is?), and yeah I've got a problem with that.

 

[glenquagmire]

Simon B - do you really think that everyone in Iraq who attacks occupying forces is doing it for reasons of Islamic fundamentalism or love of Saddam Hussein?

 

[cockneyrebel]

Yes, I still don't praise Galloway for supporting the Islamist and Ba'athist death squads on the grounds of some nihilistic 'anti-imperialism'.

I've got no time for Galloway, so the above doesn't really apply.

You and the AWL on other hand seem to like quoting and associating with creeps like Hitchens and Nick Cohen.

But as said as the AWLs leadership are the same brand of social inadequates that doesn't really surprise me.

And oh how controversial you are having a "anti anti zionist" tagline. Pathetic.

 

[belboid]

Whatever you think about the war, what he said about Galloway is spot on. Not every opponent of the war felt it necessary to be an apologist for (or as Hitchens put is pimp/prostitute of) the Ba'athist state.
Your description is pretty much exactly how I think of Galloway. Odd that.

other than that quote, to call GG an apologist for the Ba'athist state is a simple, simplistic, and plain daft error of simple fact. He was one of its most vigorous opponenets for years,cas you well know.

Hitchens destroyed Galloway in New York because he debated rather than ranted.
I think the 'Gorgeous George' label is a piss take, as it is clearly how he sees himself.
I think most people see GG for what he is. A politically and morally bankrupt ranting demagogue.

You are, honestly, the only person I know who thinks he 'destroyed' GG in that debate, even those I know who were pro-war & pro-hitchens generally thought he didn't do that well.

And as for morally bankrupt ranting demagogues, well GG is nothing on one

shudder

I'm an ex-AWL member. I do not represent them.
I'm now an individual.

well fair enough, one can hardly blame you. Good luck with that.