Gender idealism?

[Yugoslav]

For that is a material outlook on gender in terms of its role as a label and the fact that there is a material form called biological sex, a contradiction, hence the dialectical materialism of this very gender thing.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Yeah at this point this is just fire. Let me reassert my stance that me supporting medical transition cannot be transphobia at all. In Bosnia, you must undergo a full surgery in order to change gender identity. By law, I am not guilty of correctly addressing my former friend as a tomboy. I would be guilty if I discriminated her on the basis of gender but since I was doing my best to be her good friend without getting slapped with the "transphobia" word in my face all the time, I clearly cannot be guilty per the Bosnian law.

your continued transphobia and misgendering of your friend has been reported

you keep being offered the opportunity to step away with a modicum of dignity, but instead you continue to be transphobixc, misgender your friend and post utter word salad on topics you clearly have limited understanding of

 

[Yugoslav]

your continued transphobia and misgendering of your friend has been reported

you keep being offered the opportunity to step away with a modicum of dignity, but instead you continue to be transphobixc, misgender your friend and post utter word salad on topics you clearly have limited understanding of

Liberalism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

(continued on pg. 18)

 

[lazythursday]

Liberalism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

(continued on pg. 18)

There are plenty of people on this site who would have broad agreement with that statement, particularly economic liberalism.

But you can be supportive of trans rights without being a liberal. The two things are not synonymous.

 

[Yugoslav]

But you can be supportive of trans rights without being a liberal. The two things are not synonymous.

Indeed. I am not a liberal and I support trans rights. I support the right to medical transition which will emancipate the transgender people from their pre-transition horror and it shall be done free just as it was in DDR, an example of a socialist state doing free healthcare for trans people back then. That is like supporting the working class and its will to emancipate itself by overthrowing capitalism.

 

[AHunter3]

"male girl"

You either a tomboy or you're a girl passing as a man but refuse to trans into one but you feel being called a "man"? Very very confusing to read.

Umm, that would be "sissy", not "tomboy". Mirror image of "tomboy".

I don't pass as anything. I'm identified, targeted, and harassed as an apparently unmanly pansy man if perceived as male. I don't adorn and compose myself in such a way as to give the impression that I have female anatomy so I don't pass as a cis woman either (except on the phone, but I'm not doing that on purpose).

You (or someone reading this, perhaps) may be tempted to use the word "just" — as in "you aren't trans, you're JUST an effeminate male". The word "just" serves no function in that kind of sentence except to belittle and dismiss the experience and relevance of it to these issues. Trust me, it's the kind of experience that can lead to considering this aspect of self to be primary, to be the definition of what flavor of person one is in our society.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Indeed. I am not a liberal and I support trans rights. I support the right to medical transition which will emancipate the transgender people from their pre-transition horror and it shall be done free just as it was in DDR, an example of a socialist state doing free healthcare for trans people back then. That is like supporting the working class and its will to emancipate itself by overthrowing capitalism.

you have repeatedly made transphobic statements

you have repeatedly misgendered transgender people

you have placed a greater value on transgender people who medically transition AND comply with your , baseless and reinforcing of classical gender roles, ideological position on this

you continue to speak over transgender people

you continue to speak over other posters who clearly understand both the issues surrounding transgender people and the politics / philosophical position you assert to have adopted with far greater clarity than you display.

you have been offered ample opportunities to apologise and step back from the brink, yet you choose to double down and in doing so insult and speak over transgender people with extensive professional understanding of the topic

your conduct has been noted by Editor , the concerns of others have been noted by Editor; You have been give advice both offical and unofficial about your conduct... which you have ignored

 

[krtek a houby]

When a Bosnian tries to talk to first world liberals, it's clear that it is impossible to talk in the same language of things. Sure, English is global, but in the sense of convo and arguing, it seems that either there are those who are close enough and some who are far away.

Imagine if somebody started to lecture you, with mindless conviction, about what it is to be Bosnian and how, unless you meet their narrow minded definitions, you aren't really a Bosnian.

That would be insensitive, dismissive and annoying, wouldn't it?

 

[friendofdorothy]

Can't believe this thread is still going on ... and on.... and on...

 

[Yugoslav]

Imagine if somebody started to lecture you, with mindless conviction, about what it is to be Bosnian and how, unless you meet their narrow minded definitions, you aren't really a Bosnian.

That would be insensitive, dismissive and annoying, wouldn't it?

Most likely what Western leftists be doing right now. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Yugoslav]

you have repeatedly made transphobic statements

you have repeatedly misgendered transgender people

you have placed a greater value on transgender people who medically transition AND comply with your , baseless and reinforcing of classical gender roles, ideological position on this

you continue to speak over transgender people

you continue to speak over other posters who clearly understand both the issues surrounding transgender people and the politics / philosophical position you assert to have adopted with far greater clarity than you display.

you have been offered ample opportunities to apologise and step back from the brink, yet you choose to double down and in doing so insult and speak over transgender people with extensive professional understanding of the topic

your conduct has been noted by Editor , the concerns of others have been noted by Editor; You have been give advice both offical and unofficial about your conduct... which you have ignored

I can't believe that me trying to assert things I've learned from reading actual Marxist-Leninist theory is apparently a huge insult to liberals. Maybe Marx, Engels, and Lenin were right about not trusting the liberals. Hell, even Lenin changed his mind after he realized that you cannot collab with the liberals.

 

[Yugoslav]

Most likely what Western leftists be doing right now. I wouldn't be surprised.

But honestly, I see this more within the SDA Bosniaks rather than a Western leftist. But still, no surprise if someone from the West is gonna be doing that.

 

[krtek a houby]

I can't believe that me trying to assert things I've learned from reading actual Marxist-Leninist theory is apparently a huge insult to liberals. Maybe Marx, Engels, and Lenin were right about not trusting the liberals. Hell, even Lenin changed his mind after he realized that you cannot collab with the liberals.

And what is the answer, when you cant deal with people who dont agree with you?

Where should we go, those who dont see things precisely your way or agree with your telling trans people how to be?

 

[Yugoslav]

And what is the answer, when you cant deal with people who dont agree with you?

Where should we go, those who dont see things precisely your way or agree with your telling trans people how to be?

Tough one.

If I were the President of Yugoslavia, I would just give you a chance to live by making you leave the country and go share your dissident elsewhere. At least that is my humane proposition.

 

[krtek a houby]

Tough one.

If I were the President of Yugoslavia, I would just give you a chance to live by making you leave the country and go share your dissident elsewhere. At least that is my humane proposition.

How very kind of you.

 

[Yugoslav]

How very kind of you.

But the side effect is that you will be tracked and assassinated by the UDBA agents if you are to attempt to organize a coup against me and socialism from abroad.

 

[Yugoslav]

So, what have we learned? DDR had an actually existing system of government medical transition for trans people in socialism.

 

[krtek a houby]

But the side effect is that you will be tracked and assassinated by the UDBA agents if you are to attempt to organize a coup against me and socialism from abroad.

I'll keep that in mind

 

[InArduisFouette]

How very kind of you.

a remarkably measured response, rather than reporting the OP for threats of violence

 

[krtek a houby]

a remarkably measured response, rather than reporting the OP for threats of violence

The mask slipped, this is a returning banned poster of old.

Or, at the very least, a sock puppet/troll.

Whatever the case, they won't be here for long.

 

[smokedout]

if you want to talk aobut the literature , you put the idscuss onto an academic / professional footing

I just didn't really see why your point was relevant to what I said. And couldn't be bothered giving you the argument you seemed to be looking for about it.

 

[friendofdorothy]

So, what have we learned?

That urbz in general are a broadly tolerant lot who like taking the piss out of odd new comers?

 

[Yugoslav]

That urbz in general are a broadly tolerant lot who like taking the piss out of odd new comers?

An unfortunate reality.

 

[krtek a houby]

An unfortunate reality.

But you know this, of course

 

[Yugoslav]

But you know this, of course

Because most of you jumped into this notion.

Well, no matter, I am not changing my mind for socialism must carry the task of dealing with this trans issue with free healthcare and therefore, putting trans people who have only "socially transitioned" as they claim, through medical transition in order to perfect the legitimacy of such.

 

[8ball]

Because most of you jumped into this notion.

Well, no matter, I am not changing my mind for socialism must carry the task of dealing with this trans issue with free healthcare and therefore, putting trans people who have only "socially transitioned" as they claim, through medical transition in order to perfect the legitimacy of such.

Do you have a plan for the nonbinaries?

Or people like me who identify as male-cis-straight but have more than one item of pink clothing whose origin story does not involve a laundry error?

 

[Yugoslav]

Do you have a plan for the nonbinaries?

Or people like me who identify as male-cis-straight but have more than one item of pink clothing whose origin story does not involve a laundry error?

Alright. Let me stop you first. These days people will find ways to just try and make the most perfect meaning for "cis" and "trans" when in fact, things become more complex, even too complex for the human mind to adapt to. Speaking of "non-binary", I believe it is about Intersex people. Yes, if they want to be heard, then they shouldn't transition if they don't want to. If you want Intersex rights, then there should be some Intersex people fine with being Intersex and some who are fine with medical transition. After all, before you even go with medical transition, you will go through a talk therapy, your chance to prove that you're either worthy becoming the whole opposite, or you can be fine with being as who you are and not worrying about whether you fit the "trans" criteria.

At this rate, the level of idealism, postmodernism, and individualism, corrupting the human mind with this transgender idealism is what is degrading the trans rights, not improving them and it is also affecting women's rights and Intersex rights. Doing the slightest thing regarded as of opposite gender will get you smacked with the "trans" label by Fabian opportunists.

To answer your question at last,

1. Intersex people can be fine being Intersex or go medical transitioning if their gender dysphoria is too great for them.

2. You either being a femboy or just being a masculine man in pink clothing doesn't mean anything to anyone other than yourself because that's how YOU prefer to dress that way. If you wanna wear pink, go on. Wearing pink does not make you a femboy overnight. It is a process of transforming the quantity into quality per dialectical materialism. When you really get into this feminine style, maybe you will see the qualitative change that is you becoming a femboy. But if you prefer just wearing pink for fun and not really be a femboy, that's also fine.

 

[InArduisFouette]

That urbz in general are a broadly tolerant lot who like taking the piss out of odd new comers?

and that one's reaction to said urine extraction determines how it proceeds

 

[InArduisFouette]

Because most of you jumped into this notion.

Well, no matter, I am not changing my mind for socialism must carry the task of dealing with this trans issue with free healthcare and therefore, putting trans people who have only "socially transitioned" as they claim, through medical transition in order to perfect the legitimacy of such.

once again the transphobe pretending concern and advocating forcible sterilisation of a group of people he repeatedly displays disdain towards

reported on those grounds

 

[InArduisFouette]

Alright. Let me stop you first. These days people will find ways to just try and make the most perfect meaning for "cis" and "trans" when in fact, things become more complex, even too complex for the human mind to adapt to. Speaking of "non-binary", I believe it is about Intersex people. Yes, if they want to be heard, then they shouldn't transition if they don't want to. If you want Intersex rights, then there should be some Intersex people fine with being Intersex and some who are fine with medical transition. After all, before you even go with medical transition, you will go through a talk therapy, your chance to prove that you're either worthy becoming the whole opposite, or you can be fine with being as who you are and not worrying about whether you fit the "trans" criteria.

At this rate, the level of idealism, postmodernism, and individualism, corrupting the human mind with this transgender idealism is what is degrading the trans rights, not improving them and it is also affecting women's rights and Intersex rights. Doing the slightest thing regarded as of opposite gender will get you smacked with the "trans" label by Fabian opportunists.

To answer your question at last,

1. Intersex people can be fine being Intersex or go medical transitioning if their gender dysphoria is too great for them.

2. You either being a femboy or just being a masculine man in pink clothing doesn't mean anything to anyone other than yourself because that's how YOU prefer to dress that way. If you wanna wear pink, go on. Wearing pink does not make you a femboy overnight. It is a process of transforming the quantity into quality per dialectical materialism. When you really get into this feminine style, maybe you will see the qualitative change that is you becoming a femboy. But if you prefer just wearing pink for fun and not really be a femboy, that's also fine.

Yet more dehumanising shite which involves the forcible surgical sterilisation of transgender people ~


Yugoslav listen here you transphobic , bigoted prat , you have been given multiple opportunities to use the orifices in your extremely thick skull in the correct proportion... but instead you continue to spout unmitigated bollocks and engage in transphobia and dehumanisation