Freeman-on-the-land idiocies

[BristolEcho]

This nonsense is costing some gullible businesses a lot of money

Tattoo shop raided again as Aron Walton confronts officers

"That warrant there has no wet signature from a judge"

www.bristolpost.co.uk

Can Magna Carta and “common law” give you immunity from Covid regulations?

In recent days, the news has carried reports of business owners who have been fined tens of thousands of pounds after defying the “Covid regulations” and refusing to close their busines…

thesecretbarrister.com

What an absolute prick.

 

[Argonia]

“Article 61” of Magna Carta doesn’t allow you to ignore Covid-19 regulations - Full Fact

Clause 61 of the original document set out rules for specific barons. The clause was removed after a year.

fullfact.org

 

[SpookyFrank]

What an absolute prick.

I get it. Because tattoos. Very good.

 

[BristolEcho]

I get it. Because tattoos. Very good.

I wish I could claim this.

 

[NoXion]

“Article 61” of Magna Carta doesn’t allow you to ignore Covid-19 regulations - Full Fact

Clause 61 of the original document set out rules for specific barons. The clause was removed after a year.

fullfact.org

Even among those idiots, the best victory that I've ever seen them claim is the temporary confusion of the police and the courts. If all it took to get one out of paying fines and taxes was some kind of magical phraseology, then solicitors would never bother specialising in that area.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Even among those idiots, the best victory that I've ever seen them claim is the temporary confusion of the police and the courts.

I think maybe it's not even confusion, more that the system assumes most people will basically play ball, with respect to minor stuff at least, so you can delay things just by not doing. Any sort of refusal to participate would probably 'work' in that respect but FOTLering would do. Obviously the longer term outcome is that you get kicked much harder but maybe it looks like a temporary victory if you're a bit dense.

 

[NoXion]

I think maybe it's not even confusion, more that the system assumes most people will basically play ball, with respect to minor stuff at least, so you can delay things just by not doing. Any sort of refusal to participate would probably 'work' in that respect but FOTLering would do. Obviously the longer term outcome is that you get kicked much harder but maybe it looks like a temporary victory if you're a bit dense.

I used the word confusion, because it seems that in a lot of cases cops and judges have never encountered this kind of thing before, and don't appear to have a ready answer for the superficially self-confident way in which FOTLer types bring forth complete nonsense. I'd have thought that if this kind of thing was better known among law enforcement and legal circles, that they would have a more definitive response from the get-go.

But maybe I'm not giving the system enough credit; perhaps the seemingly languid response is actually part of its mechanisms, giving people a certain degree of flexibility in case they have a sudden attack of being sensible for once or something. I'm not a copper or a lawyer so I can only speculate.

 

[butchersapron]

Poss useful little primer.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Plymouth coffee shop fined £42K for Covid breach

The coffee shop owners cited Magna Carta as making them exempt from regulations.

www.bbc.co.uk

£42,000 fine

The cafe, Deanna Yeates and Michael Pendlebury were each fined £10,000.
Finla was also ordered to pay £8,221 costs and the two owners were each ordered to pay £2,002 costs.
Pendlebury, 35, of Stannary Lane, Plympton and Yeates, 34, also of Stannary Lane, did not enter a plea or appear at the court.

'Numerous complaints'​

The firm was fined £1,000 on 6 November and £2,000 on 7 November for breaching regulations on allowing consumption of food and drink indoors, but had refused to pay, the court heard.
The court heard the owners had made a statement saying they were exempt from the regulations, citing Magna Carta.

She died in vain

 

[T & P]

 

[Sasaferrato]

That meme pops up on the squaddie sites frequently.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

A hahaha ffs! As I was reading Bahnhof's post I thought exactly if this meme and I was all set to post it... I scroll down and see you've done it on the very next post

 

[two sheds]

Pendlebury, 35, of Stannary Lane, Plympton and Yeates, 34, also of Stannary Lane, did not enter a plea or appear at the court.

Cunning - because they didn't appear at court they refused to stand under the ruling so the court has no jurisdiction over them

 

[Dogsauce]

Cunning - because they didn't appear at court they refused to stand under the ruling so the court has no jurisdiction over them

The court didn’t get their names right either, should be in ALL CAPS, right? Otherwise they’re not a legal entity or something, the soft pricks.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Oh, there's more about the Plymouth cafe in this report, including the threat of prison time.

The court also heard that during one visit on November 7 by an Environmental Health officer, they were confronted by a person - it was not known who the person was - who accused them of "high treason" before threatening them with "the gallows".

The court also noted a video put out on social media where Yates warned that the council was committing "treason".

Treason, off to the gallows!

He called all the "peripheral matters" raised by the defendants in their numerous letters and emails to the council "fluff and flannel" which could be discarded.

He said the defendants were clearly subject to the regulations and the arguments they put forward as to why they were not, such as Magna Carta, were "completely wrong and irrelevant to what I have to decide".

He said he had read the "numerous letters" from the defendants sent to the council setting out their "spurious arguments" as to why they were not liable under these regulations and they did not have time to put them in place, adding that it would have taken "10 to 15 minutes to cordon off an area" to comply with the regulations.

I bet those letters were in green comic sans.

Deputy District Judge Hine said the payment was "payable forthwith... if they don't pay it there will be enforcement proceedings which will ultimately, if it's wilful and neglectful and I'm sitting, they will be going to prison".

Pay up, or go down.

Finla owners 'could face prison' if they don't pay £42,000

A district Judge has dished out scathing criticism of the Plympton cafe and its owners calling their behaviour 'despicable and outrageous' adding that if they refuse to pay their fines they could face prison

www.plymouthherald.co.uk

 

[Storm Fox]

I don't understand why the FotL types believe the Magna Carta** is the start and end of all laws. (Not that it actually covers what they think it does) All laws that succeed the Magna Carta** are signed by the Monarch of the day* so carry equal weight. If a law is superseded it's superseded, it's not like its a physical law were it just is e.g. Gravitational Constant G .
But it's a human construct so can change with the times by humans

*Apart from the Civil War years

**Edited Carter to the correct Carta

 

[SpookyFrank]

That meme pops up on the squaddie sites frequently.

Every time our brave lads do a war crime.

 

[DotCommunist]

Every time i see it spelled carter rather than carta my head gets that manics Kevin Carter song stuck in it

 

[cupid_stunt]

I don't understand why the FotL types believe the Magna Carter is the start and end of all laws. (Not that it actually covers what they think it does) All laws that succeed the Magna Carter are signed by the Monarch of the day* so carry equal weight. If a law is superseded it's superseded, it's not like its a physical law were it just is e.g. Gravitational Constant G .
But it's a human construct so can change with the times by humans

*Apart from the Civil War years

They are loons, that's all you need to know.

 

[Johnny Doe]

This is this rubbish, isn't it?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I don't understand why the FotL types believe the Magna Carter is the start and end of all laws.

I think it's largely that it's very old and written in quite arcane language which lets them feel like they've got access to some ancient mystical truth.

Also they're idiots.

 

[Doodler]

Along with genuine financial difficulties Freeman of the Land stuff might also reflect a more generalised disenchantment with modern life with a hefty dose of escapist fantasy thrown in. Be interesting to know if its believers and enthusiasts also tend to be fans of male-oriented Bernard Cornwell-type historical fiction.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

They seem to be conspiracy theorists too. Gullible, in other words.

 

[Argonia]

The Freemen on the Land are crackers like the TV programme Crackerjack but they are right that we need rid of the monarch and a new Magna Carta

 

[Idaho]

This is this rubbish, isn't it?
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I'm not sure what other baggage is intended to go with that, but on the face of it, I agree.

The drug laws, for example, take away the sovereignty I have over my body. They say that the state owns me and controls not only what I do, but the inside of my body.

 

[MickiQ]

I think the pandemic has driven home to a lot of people in this country a fairly basic truth that we haven't had to face for a while and this is just how little control we actually have over our own lives. It's easy to criticise these people but they may very well have spent years put everything they own into their businesses and building them up. Along comes the pandemic and the council comes round and tells them 'Sorry you have to close, you're not an essential business so you need to risk financial ruin but it's for the common good'. It doesn't surprise me that people in these sort of circumstances will turn to conspiracy theories especially if it appears to offer a way to not have to close and buck the system even if it's the sort of thing they might reject as daft in better times.

 

[Johnny Doe]

I think the pandemic has driven home to a lot of people in this country a fairly basic truth that we haven't had to face for a while and this is just how little control we actually have over our own lives. It's easy to criticise these people but they may very well have spent years put everything they own into their businesses and building them up. Along comes the pandemic and the council comes round and tells them 'Sorry you have to close, you're not an essential business so you need to risk financial ruin but it's for the common good'. It doesn't surprise me that people in these sort of circumstances will turn to conspiracy theories especially if it appears to offer a way to not have to close and buck the system even if it's the sort of thing they might reject as daft in better times.

Or in the case of Rampling, no-one's interested anymore, so he's whipping up engagement through polarised bS

 

[NoXion]

Along with genuine financial difficulties Freeman of the Land stuff might also reflect a more generalised disenchantment with modern life with a hefty dose of escapist fantasy thrown in. Be interesting to know if its believers and enthusiasts also tend to be fans of male-oriented Bernard Cornwell-type historical fiction.

If I want escapism, I'll spend a few hours shooting up a whole bunch of demons on my computer. I don't start believing that the law doesn't apply to me any more because I just now decided to be an extra-special snowflake and recite some arcane-sounding bullshit (that has never been shown to work, ever). These people are sufficiently switched-on enough to be capable of running a business for at least a little while, so I have a hard time believing that escapism is part of their dysfunction. I mean seriously, there are many more less painful ways of throwing away £42,000.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Every time our brave lads do a war crime.

Fuck off Frank you plank.

 

[Argonia]

Fuck off Frank you plank.

Language Sas. My right wing mother banned me from saying CUNT but she can't hold me back now and I yell it at her in our daily Zoom conference