Foundry to be turned into Luxury Flats and Art'otel...

[Boycey]

black and white people drinking at the foundry 2 weeks ago

want to continue this down there or just sit ranting at your keyboard? if you drop in on friday i'm the guy on the left, i'll buy you a pint

 

[Pickman's model]

i don't see what your photo proves to contradict what i posted.

 

[rennie]

Noooo, that's awful. The Foundry is a real breath of fresh air in an otherwise over trendy area.

 

[rennie]

Well, as it turns out, I am off to the Foundry tonight.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Aw, I quite like it. I definitely like it more than someone else's luxury flats.

 

[IMR]

The developers' notice in the photo on the OP mentions a 'space' for 'video artists'.

Wtf is a 'video artist'? Is that someone who wants to be a filmmaker or an animator but can't get a storyboard together?

 

[pootle]

Well, as it turns out, I am off to the Foundry tonight.

Me too!

 

[rennie]

Me too!

I know what you look like missy for the ugly mug thread. Do you?

 

[pootle]

There will be lots of this

you should come and say hello, if you spot me!

 

[pinkmonkey]

People who've NEVER drunk in the Foundry are the new new 'trendy'.

What about people who've never heard of it, like me

One of you invited me to join the FB group but I didn't know what it was.

<makes mental note to get out more>

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

which bits?

when did you get made king of the manor?

 

[Maggot]

How can a hotel act as a gateway?

 

[Nixon]

it attracts a far far more mixed crowd than any other bar in the locality and has provided free space for unknown and unfunded artists to show their work for years.

THIS.

Yeah it's a shithole,but it's the only place in Shoreditch you can go if you have an ounce of crust in you and not get dodgy looks from rich pretentious shoreditch twats..and it's cheap.I totally agree with bearbot..

The superstore is fucking grot.Oh poor poor Dalston

 

[Pickman's model]

when did you get made king of the manor?

i'll take that to mean that you can't find them now.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh poor poor Dalston

that's a different thread altogether, dalston being quite some way from the foundry.

 

[Wolveryeti]

dp

 

[Wolveryeti]

returning to the question of the nature of the foundry's clientele, i haven't seen that many black people in there who weren't of an age to be students. nor have i seen many people living or working in the area in there. the drinkers seem to be a bunch of wannabe bohemians, students, former students trying to hold back the years, and artists who generally seem to have all the ability of a gnat's arse. i live down the way from the foundry, and places like charlie wright's or maybe the macbeth have a far more mixed crowd than the foundry. it caters very much for a niche market, and it's a niche which hoxton can well do without.

I don't know what's worse, your propensity to make strident generalisations about the motivations and professions of complete strangers you see in the pub, or your pompous claim to know what's 'right' for an area with respect to its drinking establishments.

 

[paolo]

I don't know what's worse, your propensity to make strident generalisations about the motivations and professions of complete strangers you see in the pub, or your pompous claim to know what's 'right' for an area with respect to its drinking establishments.

Quite.

I read the posts thinking "oh. I've only worked round there. And lived a few miles away."

Thing is, without people visiting, the area would be like it originally was. A semi derelict backwater that noone gives much of a shit about. And Charlie Wrights isn't all that. In my memory, it's where people went because everywhere else was shut. That's not a "statement maan", it's simply a late license.

 

[Pickman's model]

Quite.

I read the posts thinking "oh. I've only worked round there. And lived a few miles away."

Thing is, without people visiting, the area would be like it originally was. A semi derelict backwater that noone gives much of a shit about. And Charlie Wrights isn't all that. In my memory, it's where people went because everywhere else was shut. That's not a "statement maan", it's simply a late license.

so you think it's better for the gentrification. if you wander down hoxton market or up towards shoreditch park you'll see that large parts of hoxton are a backwater no one, least of all the council, gives much of a shit about. but i suppose that you think that's all fine because of the visitors making the bar owners rich.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't know what's worse, your propensity to make strident generalisations about the motivations and professions of complete strangers you see in the pub, or your pompous claim to know what's 'right' for an area with respect to its drinking establishments.

i don't think you can in all honesty describe student (or artist) as a profession. speaking of honesty, i was responding to boycey's assertion that the foundry has the most mixed clientele in the area, and i notice you don't quibble with my point that he's wrong. anyone who's wandered about shoreditch late at night and seen the state of the people coming out of the bars can assume that the people chucking all over the place and pissing in people's doorways have great concern about the locals. if the sort of establishments which promote such behaviour are iyo 'right' then i'd be pleased to be wrong.

 

[paolo]

so you think it's better for the gentrification. if you wander down hoxton market or up towards shoreditch park you'll see that large parts of hoxton are a backwater no one, least of all the council, gives much of a shit about. but i suppose that you think that's all fine because of the visitors making the bar owners rich.

oh and Charlie Wrights is a little locals pub. Well known for it's bar billiards and shove h'apenny.

You are being inconsistent.

 

[Pickman's model]

oh and Charlie Wrights is a little locals pub. Well known for it's bar billiards and shove h'apenny.

You are being inconsistent.

as you point out, it's a pub. not a bar. you'd be hard pushed imo to describe places like the electricity showrooms or the foundry as a pub. so no, i don't think i'm being inconsistent.

 

[5t3IIa]

Fight fight fight

I don't know why you think that rigerously defending commerce in the face of art and fun is a good look.

 

[Pickman's model]

Fight fight fight

I don't know why you think that rigerously defending commerce in the face of art and fun is a good look.

art and commerce are frequently closer companions than is strictly necessary

 

[paolo]

So, err the quaint little Charlie Wrights (bouncers, late license, door queue etc) is how you'd like the area to return to it's roots?

The assertions that the Foundry has the most mixed clientele *do* hold up, if you look at the places on the main drag. Or maybe you're more up for the restaurants and wine bars that otherwise are beginning to dominate.

I doubt you are. I think you'd like the place back the way it was. But you're picking the wrong target.

 

[5t3IIa]

art and commerce are frequently closer companions than is strictly necessary

The beer's expensive, so what?

 

[Pickman's model]

So, err the quaint little Charlie Wrights (bouncers, late license, door queue etc) is how you'd like the area to return to it's roots?

The assertions that the Foundry has the most mixed clientele *do* hold up, if you look at the places on the main drag. Or maybe you're more up for the restaurants and wine bars that otherwise are beginning to dominate.

I doubt you are. I think you'd like the place back the way it was. But you're picking the wrong target.

stop being a dishonest twat. you're conceding at least the possibility charlie wright's has a more mixed clientele now, with your shifting of the goalposts from boycey's "any bar in the area" to "the places on the main drag". as i said near the start of the thread

i've always thought the nelson retreat a finer establishment, or the george and vulture. as for no pretensions, that's a bloody laugh.

the same thing happened up the angel and in barnsbury - it's happening in whitechapel - it'll be brixton's turn at some point to enjoy this late stage of gentrification.

the clear implication being that i prefer proper pubs to the utter shit which is so many of the bars in shoreditch. it's disppointing, but not wholly unexpected, to see you being so dishonest about all this.

 

[Pickman's model]

The beer's expensive, so what?

yeh for dear beer i could always trip down the way to the george

 

[Wolveryeti]

i don't think you can in all honesty describe student (or artist) as a profession. speaking of honesty, i was responding to boycey's assertion that the foundry has the most mixed clientele in the area, and i notice you don't quibble with my point that he's wrong. anyone who's wandered about shoreditch late at night and seen the state of the people coming out of the bars can assume that the people chucking all over the place and pissing in people's doorways have great concern about the locals. if the sort of establishments which promote such behaviour are iyo 'right' then i'd be pleased to be wrong.

People being pissed and disorderly in well known nightspot shocker

How is any of this the Foundry's fault specifically?

I think you're talking bollocks about its diversity as well btw - as if it mattered... What would you have it do, hire some kind of ethnic monitoring officer to make sure it achieves it's quotas of minorities for the day or something?

 

[5t3IIa]

Entertainment is better at The George