Footballer Marcus Rashford fights for free school meals

[Saul Goodman]

The wording - Supported £1.57 billion for 'culture and heritage organisations' suggests there's something illegitimate about funding culture and heritage organisations altogether though.

It doesn't. It suggests that feeding starving children should be a higher priority.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Nope. I have enough, why should I want more?

My point is that the players of Man Utd could fund the £15m and never miss it. Much less expensive to make political points of course.

Why should they?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Players' wages are an issue, I don't think that's actually contentious (although I'll always contend that if anyone should be profiting off the success of football it should be the people bloody well playing the football), the same as anyone who earns £millions a year.

Buuuuuuuuut, in no way lets the government off the hook.

Of course it's an issue. When you pay some semi-literate muppet 100 times the salary of a neurosurgeon for kicking a football, it has to be an issue.

 

[killer b]

It doesn't. It suggests that feeding starving children should be a higher priority.

There's money for both. It's a false dichotomy.

 

[ska invita]

Nope. I have enough, why should I want more?

My point is that the players of Man Utd could fund the £15m and never miss it. Much less expensive to make political points of course.

i see your first ever pang of empathy has worn off

 

[Raheem]

There's money for both. It's a false dichotomy.

You might say that, but this unfairly maligned MP doesn't seem to agree.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It doesn't. It suggests that feeding starving children should be a higher priority.

I would imagine that the arts funding will feed all the beneficiaries children.

The arts are a major contributor to employment, and are dying on their feet.

 

[killer b]

You might say that, but this unfairly maligned MP doesn't seem to agree.

he's fairly maligned, it's the other targets in the maligning I'm objecting to.

 

[Sasaferrato]

i see your first ever pang of empathy has worn off

Sorry? Did I say that I didn't think that the free meals scheme shouldn't be government funded?

I think that the government's stance on this is utterly despicable.

£15m is absolutely fuck all compared to other sums spent to ameliorate the carnage.

I sent the PM an E-mail earlier:

For fuck’s sake Johnson, stop digging.



This isn’t going away, and is costing the party dearly.



How bloody tin eared can you be?



By the way, I’ve been a Conservative supporter and voter for more than fifty years, and bar the poll tax, have never seen such a fuck up.



Get it sorted, the longer you wait, the bigger a prick you appear.



Yours

 

[Sue]

Sorry? Did I say that I didn't think that the free meals scheme shouldn't be government funded?

I think that the government's stance on this is utterly despicable.

£15m is absolutely fuck all compared to other sums spent to ameliorate the carnage.

I sent the PM an E-mail earlier:

For fuck’s sake Johnson, stop digging.



This isn’t going away, and is costing the party dearly.



How bloody tin eared can you be?



By the way, I’ve been a Conservative supporter and voter for more than fifty years, and bar the poll tax, have never seen such a fuck up.



Get it sorted, the longer you wait, the bigger a prick you appear.



Yours

I thought you went Labour a few years ago?

 

[Saul Goodman]

I would imagine that the arts funding will feed all the beneficiaries children.

The arts are a major contributor to employment, and are dying on their feet.

I would imagine that "£1.57 billion for 'culture and heritage organisations'" actually means £1.5 Billion for extensions on friends' castles, and the rest split between opera and whoever begs hardest.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Of course it's an issue. When you pay some semi-literate muppet 100 times the salary of a neurosurgeon for kicking a football, it has to be an issue.

Which do you think is harder to achieve, becoming a world class football player or becoming a neurosurgeon?

 

[Saul Goodman]

There's money for both.

Yet here we are.

 

[killer b]

I would imagine that "£1.57 billion for 'culture and heritage organisations'" actually means £1.5 Billion for extensions on friends' castles, and the rest split between opera and whoever begs hardest.

The arts council have published the details of all the funding they've given out so far - 409 million - you can download a spreadsheet of the awards here if you want to check for castles.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The arts council have published the details of all the funding they've given out so far - 409 million - you can download a spreadsheet of the awards here if you want to check for castles.

tbf there has been dodgy funding over the years. I've never got round to doing it, but there are various grand homes around the country that we have the right to visit because they've accepted funding. They don't like advertising the fact but they have to let you in if you contact them and arrange a time. Pointless post-plague project, perhaps.

 

[killer b]

tbf there has been dodgy funding over the years. I've never got round to doing it, but there are various grand homes around the country that we have the right to visit because they've accepted funding. They don't like advertising the fact but they have to let you in if you contact them and arrange a time. Pointless post-plague project, perhaps.

I'm sure, and if you have a look through the spreadsheet I'm sure you'll find plenty that'll make you raise your eyebrows - there are real problems about how the arts council funds are given out, and who is able to access the funding. But it's silly to pretend it's all going to Tory MPs mate & the ballet, or to try and set this up as a fight between elite arts funding and starving children.

 

[Saul Goodman]

tbf there has been dodgy funding over the years..

Rees-Mogg wife’s ancestral home benefits from £7.6m state rescue

Rees-Mogg wife’s ancestral home benefits from £7.6m state rescue

Stern critic of chancellor welcomes Wentworth Woodhouse ‘gimmick’

www.ft.com

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Rees-Mogg wife’s ancestral home benefits from £7.6m state rescue

Rees-Mogg wife’s ancestral home benefits from £7.6m state rescue

Stern critic of chancellor welcomes Wentworth Woodhouse ‘gimmick’

www.ft.com

If we get the address, we could organise an Urban outing. In our dirtiest crusty clothing.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm sure, and if you have a look through the spreadsheet I'm sure you'll find plenty that'll make you raise your eyebrows - there are real problems about how the arts council funds are given out, and who is able to access the funding. But it's silly to pretend it's all going to Tory MPs mate & the ballet, or to try and set this up as a fight between elite arts funding and starving children.

Yep, fair enough. I agree. Often these things are actually more transparent than people assume. You just have to ask!

 

[scifisam]

Rees-Mogg wife’s ancestral home benefits from £7.6m state rescue

Rees-Mogg wife’s ancestral home benefits from £7.6m state rescue

Stern critic of chancellor welcomes Wentworth Woodhouse ‘gimmick’

www.ft.com

You realise you're doing the same thing as Ben Bradley and the sort of people who decry all benefits because fraud exists.

 

[Saul Goodman]

If we get the address, we could organise an Urban outing. In our dirtiest crusty clothing.

Located in south Yorkshire, Wentworth Woodhouse is not very well known, reflecting its limited opening to the public

It'll be open for one day a year, between 7am and 7:02am

 

[Saul Goodman]

You realise you're doing the same thing as Ben Bradley and the sort of people who decry all benefits because fraud exists.

No, what I'm doing is pointing out that they'd rather look after their own than feed starving kids.

 

[killer b]

The arts are overwhelmingly liberal/left leaning, and that's generally reflected in the mix of organisations funded by the arts council - it's quite far from the tories 'looking after their own'.

 

[Saul Goodman]

The arts are overwhelmingly liberal/left leaning, and that's generally reflected in the mix of organisations funded by the arts council - it's quite far from the tories 'looking after their own'.

I didn't realise Rees Mogg's wife's ancestral home was actually a youth club for underprivileged children. Thanks for clearing that up

 

[killer b]

I didn't realise Rees Mogg's mother in law's ancestral home was actually a youth club for underprivileged children. Thanks for clearing that up

that seems to be a story from 2016?

 

[Saul Goodman]

that seems to be a story from 2016?

And? Didn't you say there's money for both? The timeline is irrelevant.

 

[killer b]

And? Didn't you say there's money for both? The timeline is irrelevant.

We were talking about emergency pandemic arts funding that had been voted for by a tory MP - Wentworth Woodhouse appears to have been directly funded by the treasury in the 2016 autumn statement. It doesn't seem to me to be particularly relevant tbh.

That said: there should be money to maintain the country's architectural heritage as well as to feed starving children, yeah. Rees Mogg's in-laws don't appear to have lived in or owned the building for decades fwiw - it's currently - and was at the time of the award - owned and maintained by a charitable trust.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Only in the local news section, but having "[Tory MP]" and "quit" in the same headline is always good.

A Conservative MP is facing calls to stand down over her "mocking" message on Facebook to businesses offering free meals for children during half term.

Thousands of people have signed a petition calling for North Devon MP Selaine Saxby to quit.

Free meals: North Devon MP Selaine Saxby urged to quit

Selaine Saxby says she "deeply regrets any offence which may have been caused" by her Facebook post.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raheem]

We were talking about emergency pandemic arts funding that had been voted for by a tory MP - Wentworth Woodhouse appears to have been directly funded by the treasury in the 2016 autumn statement. It doesn't seem to me to be particularly relevant tbh.

But also, neither is the ACE grants spreadsheet you posted above.

Think it's possibly a bit tangential, because it seems agreed that the issue is hypocrisy, rather than funding arts and heritage. That said, the arts and heritage money is likely to be heavily about economically supporting middle-class jobs, and it's likely to be heavily skewed towards the south of England. So cynicism about Tory MPs seeing greater value in it than in feeding the kids of the less deserving might not be misplaced IMO.

 

[frogwoman]

The arts sector is on its knees. Killer b is spot on here.