bubblesmcgrath
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News reports are saying 2 others were in the van and ran away...
Finsbury Park Terror Attack
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News reports are saying 2 others were in the van and ran away...
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
What channel you watching? Sky News about an hour ago said police confirmed only one.
bubblesmcgrath
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The Guardian is reporting that the Imam protected the van driver...
"Imam 'protected van driver until police arrived'
Witnesses have told Sky News that an imam from the mosque protected the driver of the van from angry members of the public until the police could arrive.
That account seems to chime with the statement from the Muslim Welfare House that thanks imam Mohammed Mahmoud “whose bravery and courage helped calm the immediate situation after the incident and prevented further injury and loss of life”."
"Imam 'protected van driver until police arrived'
Witnesses have told Sky News that an imam from the mosque protected the driver of the van from angry members of the public until the police could arrive.
That account seems to chime with the statement from the Muslim Welfare House that thanks imam Mohammed Mahmoud “whose bravery and courage helped calm the immediate situation after the incident and prevented further injury and loss of life”."
bubblesmcgrath
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2 hrs ago on the Guardian website. Bottom of the page....witnesses reported 2 other men were in the van and fled the scene.
London attack: one dead in 'potential terrorist attack' near Finsbury Park mosque, PM says – live
joustmaster
offcumdun
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I dont see why he cant be mentally ill and a terrorist? Pepole ae allready divided, it cant get much worse. Wouldnt the fact that hes possibly, seriously mentally ill, not worsen things?[/QUOTE]further to other posts on the subject, if you don't understand right and wrong - the auld m'naghten rules - you can't go to prison - you're ill rather than bad
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if you don't understand right and wrong - the auld m'naghten rules - you can't go to prison - you're ill rather than bad[/QUOTE]
Yes but theres a difference between understanding right and wrong and being mentally ill..and if found seriously mentally ill it would no doubt be a secure unit, indefinatley.
Yes but theres a difference between understanding right and wrong and being mentally ill..and if found seriously mentally ill it would no doubt be a secure unit, indefinatley.
Guess we always are but it's palpable at the moment.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
it hurts a certain narrative that theirs a a vast undercurrent of Islamophobia linked to extreme right wing views.
rather than like Jo cox's killer that unpleasant white nut jobs latch on to far right shit much like their opposite brown version swallow jihadist bullshit
rather than like Jo cox's killer that unpleasant white nut jobs latch on to far right shit much like their opposite brown version swallow jihadist bullshit
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Could you please sort out your quotes in posts.
Yes, obvs. but what is the difference, iyo?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The BBC reported police attended in 'under 10 minutes, whereas a guy being interviewed on Sky says they took an hour to arrive - something isn't right here.
This guy is also saying there were 2 others in the van, that got away.
ETA: Sky is now saying the police have stated they arrived in under 10 minutes.
Yossarian
⏭️
FFS. What am I waking up to? What kind of world is this?
The days when people were going on about 2016 being the "worst year ever" because of Bowie and Brexit seem like a very long time ago now.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Have you seen it mentioned in a statement immediately after the arrest of a terror subject before? What did they say in the first statement after the arrest of Rigby's killers?
I'd also be very surprised if the suspect's family are all arrested and held for several days before being released and if doors of friends and acquaintances are kicked in today. Let's see.
The problem is the perception that what first occurs to the Met when it's a white person is " He will also be subject of a mental health assessment in due course" as accurately predicted in the tweet mentioned by editor upthread. You might feel that their reaction to a brown person would be to prioritise finding out who he was working with, what the organisation was and so on. The narrative with white attackers seems to be to establish that they were working alone, and what their mental state was, as a similar priority.
I'm not saying, necessarily, that this is the case. It's bad even if it just seems to be.
I'm not saying, necessarily, that this is the case. It's bad even if it just seems to be.
Plumdaff
joy in people
There's obviously a difference in how incidents are reported, I'm arguing there's little actual difference in what would happen at the point of arrest and stating that he's only being assessed for mental illness because he's white isn't true. How that's reported is likely to be different, and yes that's depressingly predictable.
im working on quoting, think ive got it.
In a nutshell, the difference would be the severity of MH i expect, as you said the M'Naghten Rule.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Every time there is a terrorist attack, people on the right will bring out exactly these lines. They will complain that the police and media are underplaying the terrorist angle and playing up the mental health angle. Truth is that it's standard practice to carry out a MH assessment prior to questioning because not doing so might jeopardise later attempts to convict. It's nothing to do with colour.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Yeah, I agree with this.
There's nothing untoward about the fact that the suspect will be ungoing an MH assessment, but there is something off about the fact that this is being announced so quickly and prominently.
There will be lots of people jumping to conclusions or indulging in speculation which is unjustified by the as yet available info - it would be good if posters here could at least atempt to avoid that as much as possible (not directed at anyone in particular, just a general point)
Sorry struggling with working out how to quote.
I expect after 5 minutes with him the police realised the guy was seriously mentally ill and reported the fact he would undego a MH asap, nothing to read into imho, pretty standard.[/QUOTE]
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Indeed. However, what people are correctly highlighting is the difference is in the reporting of it and the way that the media narrative is thereafter established. It's about the way that facts are presented, the prominence they're given in media reports, and the story that civil society encourages us to tell ourselves. (And, incidentally, while the "mentally ill" narrative is corrosive to our society's race relations, it is also corrosive to those of us who experience mental ill-health).
But you're right: little ought to be read into the fact.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
A. Most likely because the man being interviewed was shocked after what happened.
B. Less likely because the man being interviewed wanted to hit out at the police in his anger.
Season with possibility of Murdochs Sky interviewing several people, most of whom said " it was terrible, the crowd arrested him, an Iman protected him and the police were here in minutes " but choose to run with something more dramatic/ divisive? (A bit like the idiot smiley woman the BBC gave twenty minutes too on Thursday saying the fire service waited four hours before going into Grendel towers. )
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
[/QUOTE]
And if the Met didn't do a MH assessment when he arrived in custody you wouldn't need to be Perry Mason to run a defence in court in six/ nine months time.
(And, incidentally, while the "mentally ill" narrative is corrosive to our society's race relations, it is also corrosive to those of us who experience mental ill-health).
But you're right: little ought to be read into the fact.[/QUOTE]
Out of curisoty, why is the mentally ill narrative, whatever that is? corrosive to race relations?
But you're right: little ought to be read into the fact.[/QUOTE]
Out of curisoty, why is the mentally ill narrative, whatever that is? corrosive to race relations?
andysays
Love and solidarity
Write your reply after the {/QUOTE} box rather than inside it.
And your second sentence is exactly the sort of uninformed speculation I was just referring to. Too much to hope for, obviously...
cheees for the tip, but what is speculative about pointing out the police issued a statement saying the guy is to undergo a MH assessment? What possible ulterior motive is there???
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