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I just think its boring, mundane.The fact we are now taking about immigration is a win for the fascists
I just think its boring, mundane.The fact we are now taking about immigration is a win for the fascists
The far right went on a racist pogrom rampage after some messed up teen went on a killing spree.There is an argument that if the general public conversation focus on immigration it is a win for them. But I don't see how a conversation on this particular message board is in any way a win for them
There is also an argument that the left not talking about it is a win for them as it leaves them to dominate the conversation. And that would include talking amongst ourselves.
The far right went on a racist pogrom rampage after some messed up teen went on a killing spree.
None of which is anything to do with immigration, migration, asylum, economics. Its only to do with racists being racist because they're racist.
Of course we can talk about whatever wherever we want, but the fact this is where the conversation has ended up here as everywhere else is depressing as fuck - its exactly the agenda of the far right achieving its goal. The poison is out there.
Talk about it by all means, but should be on another thread
tbh nonsense from the labour party over the last couple of decades has imo played a vast part in this, eg gordon brown's british jobs for british workers, and miliband and shammer's racist policies. if everyone (pretty much) in both the labour and tory parties is saying things not a million miles from the bnp and refuk then it's no surprise that people have taken it on. i realised that the referendum would be leave when i heard people in a north london hospital, patients presumably, talking about how there were too many foreigners in the uk. this particular genie has been many years in the getting out of the lamp but the government (if they're even interested in trying) will find it much harder to stuff back in the lamp.Remember chatting to someone at work while back. Who is against immigration. Not in general but in his words there are too many Muslims in this country.
Reminded of this due to last few pages. As ska invita suggests it's not all about immigration it's also about particular segment of population of this country who are well established here. Muslims.
In particular Pakistanis. As my workmate also said. When he was referring to Pakistanis he was including those born and raised here
There was a lot of Homophobia in recent violence.
What is most concerning was that this wasn't just about people supposedly taking "our" jobs. Which went on about east Europeans before Brexit.
This is much nastier as it's having a go at actual British people of a certain background.
as long as theres people of colour on this island these cunts will want to beat them upRemember chatting to someone at work while back. Who is against immigration. Not in general but in his words there are too many Muslims in this country.
Reminded of this due to last few pages. As ska invita suggests it's not all about immigration it's also about particular segment of population of this country who are well established here. Muslims.
In particular Pakistanis. As my workmate also said. When he was referring to Pakistanis he was including those born and raised here
There was a lot of islamophobia in recent violence.
What is most concerning was that this wasn't just about people supposedly taking "our" jobs. Which went on about east Europeans before Brexit.
This is much nastier as it's having a go at actual British people of a certain background.
I completely agree with you last sentence, this is not the best thread for it.The far right went on a racist pogrom rampage after some messed up teen went on a killing spree.
None of which is anything to do with immigration, migration, asylum, economics. Its only to do with racists being racist because they're racist.
Of course we can talk about whatever wherever we want, but the fact this is where the conversation has ended up here as everywhere else is depressing as fuck - its exactly the agenda of the far right achieving its goal. The poison is out there.
Talk about it by all means, but should be on another thread
This.
brogdale The problem I was referring to was empire. Immigration to suit the wealthy with no heed to either the immigrants or the established population in working class areas.
Immigration, what controls are needed or appropriate and how to enforce them is complicated. I don’t believe in open borders. I recognise the importance (economically, socially, and culturally) of some immigration.
But the benefits and challenges of immigration are not spread equally. And to blindly insist they are and anyone who says different is racist is part of the lefts problem.
In many ways multicultural Britain is a resounding success story. That’s a testament to the working class. Not to Baroness Islington who expects a pat on the back for being served by a Pokémon collection of nationalities (apart from the black kid whose just black of course).
Staff in M&S/Waitrose: very varied.
It’s satire (except it’s not) and laughters a legitimate response. I laughed.
Can we not every single post, Pickman's? Cutesy names are really tiresome in serious threads. It just reminds me of all the warty teenagers going on about "Microshaft" on Slashdot 20 years ago. There's definitely a place and time for it, I'm just begging you not to make it here and now. Christ knows how he's offended you more than some of the names you don't do it to.and shammer's racist policies
British joibs for white British people, everyone else watch your back at night or fuck off.
So what changes to immigration controls do you want to see?
I have no idea I’m not a politicianSo what changes to immigration controls do you want to see?
British joibs for white British people, everyone else watch your back at night or fuck off
I have no idea I’m not a politician
What’s your view?
She hasn't gone on about anything! She's only posted a couple of times on this thread.Your the one going on about this. So why can't you answer a straight forward question?
If you think the question or answer are straightforward you might be missing things. I mean I dunno, maybe you really do have it all worked out but I don’t.You’re the one going on about this. So why can't you answer a straight forward question?
If you think the question or answer are straightforward you might be missing things. I mean I dunno, maybe you really do have it all worked out but I don’t.
You’d need to have a pretty good knowledge of the economy, the national workforce, the welfare state, institutional capacity (NHS, prisons, schools etc). I know fuck all about that stuff let alone having the capacity to balance it.
Then there’s all the nuance about whether immigrants from different zones or countries get preferential treatment or not. Or whether entry is skill based, income based, health based, family connections based.
In short- it’s a fundamental political question and no I don’t have a trite one line answer and wouldn’t be stupid enough or arrogant enough to pretend I did.
Do you?
Quite a few of the comments in the last couple of pages feel unnecessarily aggressive. That doesn't feel very helpful or conducive to discussion.
Honey was sentenced to four years and eight months this afternoon. The second longest sentence so far.Sentencing adjourned until Friday after Honey asked prison officer if he wanted his autograph as he is now famous. Judge asked for witness statements to be taken.
He may have added to his potential sentence.
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Honey was sentenced to four years and eight months this afternoon. The second longest sentence so far.
Good.Honey was sentenced to four years and eight months this afternoon. The second longest sentence so far.
Tbf to Brown it was an oil refinery andaccommodationquestion were only advertised on an Italian website to be done Auf Wiedersehen, Pet style in dorm accomadation...British joibs for white British people, everyone else watch your back at night or fuck off
Looks like he's got previous for racist/looting tendencies. This is from 2018Honey was sentenced to four years and eight months this afternoon. The second longest sentence so far.
there is nothing cute about the prime minister who as the name suggests is a humbug and an impostorCan we not every single post, Pickman's? Cutesy names are really tiresome in serious threads. It just reminds me of all the warty teenagers going on about "Microshaft" on Slashdot 20 years ago. There's definitely a place and time for it, I'm just begging you not to make it here and now. Christ knows how he's offended you more than some of the names you don't do it to.
It is noteworthy that following the implementation of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999, many people seeking asylum were dispersed to economically and socially deprived areas, which led to social tensions that were later used to justify this policy of separation
The introduction of dispersal accommodation was similarly condemned by academics since it arguably led to ‘dumping’ people seeking asylum in certain areas that were not equipped to provide the necessary support. For instance, in dispersal towns, the NHS was unprepared to respond to the complicated health needs of newly arrived people seeking asylum, whilst most legal representatives were concentrated close to airports and docks.
Looks like he's got previous for racist/looting tendencies. This is from 2018
Teenager confesses worrying plans to 'get rid of Europeans' to police
John Honey says he planned to use the knives to rob a European store in Spring Bankwww.hulldailymail.co.uk
A troubled teenager is set to receive professional help for his political beliefs from an anti-terrorism group ...
I'm not sure who you're (presumably, can't be arsed to check) having a dig at but this isn't helpful.Yes I don't think referring to posters as fucking idiots helps.
SpyI'm not sure who you're (presumably, can't be arsed to check) having a dig at but this isn't helpful.