Same on every discussion about this everywhere I've seen.
We've talked about immigration on here for years and actually, I've always found it a useful discussion to continue to have in countering the the far right and populist narrative which extends globally.
I'd rather you gave some more thought to providing some examples before posing more questions tbh .
It's a big subject, brogdale could probably fill half a thread by himself and it be worth reading.
The fact we are now taking about immigration is a win for the fascists
But that's nonsense. Are you saying it's wrong to even discuss immigration? However calmly and sensibly?
No it's not.
There is an argument that if the general public conversation focus on immigration it is a win for them. But I don't see how a conversation on this particular message board is in any way a win for them
Yes the framing by the right completely overshadowed the question of violence against women and children aside from linking the fear of violence to women and children to not immigrants not just all immigrants but specifically non white immigrants with a clear focus on those who might be Muslims. Earlier in the week for example this bloke at a table I was sitting at gave me his 'inside knowledge' that the assailant had converted from Christianity to Islam very soon before the attack. It's a curious game when an incident happens and we have people praying and hoping that the assailant is or isn't this and the victims are or aren't that rather than focusing on the incident itself.
Nope, that didn’t happen.Not really, it was yesterday now it's today and you've jumped in to rub some salt on. I didn't 'misunderstand', I (and I wasn't alone but it's interesting you'd say that so as to marginalise and other me for your pals) called out some accidentally-revealed class prejudice, and I'll do it again
We’ve had years of politicians and media banging on about little else. When the right go on about ‘you can’t speak about immigration’ what they actually mean is they often can’t speak about it without being called out on the myths and falsehoods they peddle. And they also can’t accept that election after election those parties advocating the sort of ‘send them home’ solution they want have been roundly rejected by the population.
This is a good point. When people talk about the benefits of immigration and the effect on the job market as we have slipped into here we're spectacularly missing what the far right do seem to be actually talking about. Their message is nothing to do with economics - it seems to be the "dangerous immigrants".
Not sure about that. I get the impression the far right's position is "the country is full", and "immigrants taking jobs, benefits, housing and doctors' appointments".
i’m sure that you would, but I think I’ve already offered my answer to the apparent paradox of neoliberal state actors simultaneously offering up anti-immigrant (super-structural) electoral politics whilst facilitating (base) net inmigtation.
I think the right, the Daily Mail, the Express, the Sun, etc really started pushing the anti-refugee and asylum stuff more heavily (it had always been there in the shadows) during the final years of the last Labour government. Labour's response was to go a bit more anti-immigration but was never quite "Enoch" enough for the right wing media. Come the Brexit referendum, and much of it was portrayed as an anti-immigration/stop freedom of movement (for Eastern Europeans). Since then, it's been full steam ahead with the anti immigrant narrative.
