spitfire
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I was trying to find the car I saw at Goodwood but not had any luck, what's the bottom right one called? It's not the Napier is it? Different front end I think.
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I was trying to find the car I saw at Goodwood but not had any luck, what's the bottom right one called? It's not the Napier is it? Different front end I think.
Limejuice
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This weekend Mr Horner will be taking his outrage to Hungary.
Happily, there will also be some F1 racing to divert race fans between eruptions. I don't suppose there's any chance Max will get a slew of grid penalties for taking new components?
There's going to be a palpable froideur down the pitlane; be sure to catch every frisson of animosity. The UK times will be:
Fri 30 Jul
FP1 - 10:30
FP2 - 14:00
Sat 31 Jul
FP3 - 11:00
Qual - 14:00
Sun 1 Aug
Race - 14:00
Enjoy with a slice or two of Lajta and a bottle of Bull's Blood.
Happily, there will also be some F1 racing to divert race fans between eruptions. I don't suppose there's any chance Max will get a slew of grid penalties for taking new components?
There's going to be a palpable froideur down the pitlane; be sure to catch every frisson of animosity. The UK times will be:
Fri 30 Jul
FP1 - 10:30
FP2 - 14:00
Sat 31 Jul
FP3 - 11:00
Qual - 14:00
Sun 1 Aug
Race - 14:00
Enjoy with a slice or two of Lajta and a bottle of Bull's Blood.
1%er
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Red Bull lodges FIA request to review Hamilton-Verstappen F1 collision
Red Bull has lodged a request for the FIA to review the stewards decision over the collision between Formula 1 title rivals Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen at the British Grand Prix. Hamilton was adjudged to have been ‘predominantly’ to blame for the crash which occurred on the opening lap of the Silverstone race at Copse, with the Mercedes driver handed a 10-second time penalty.Despite this, Hamilton was able to win the race and cut Verstappen’s championship lead down to just eight points with the Red Bull driver taken out of the race in a 51G impact that required a hospital visit for precautionary checks. After indicating that it would push for further action to be taken against Hamilton, Red Bull has now formally launched a challenge to review the incident, with the FIA officially confirming Red Bull's submitted petition on Tuesday afternoon.
A video conference hearing will take place on Thursday ahead of this weekend’s Hungarian Grand Prix to review the matter. Up to three representatives from Mercedes and Red Bull are required to attend the virtual meeting at 4pm local time on Thursday afternoon in Budapest. Reflecting on the incident before it was announced that Red Bull had exercised its right to request a review, Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said: “Everyone has their own opinion on the events of Silverstone and it was a very polarising incident. However, the most important thing is that Max is okay. It’s never nice to see a car crashing, particularly at such high speeds and at a corner like that, so we’re glad he emerged from the accident unscathed.”
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
I can't get past that final right turn on Max' steering wheel. He steered into him.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
You do know he was turning into a right handed corner?
I wonder if Red Bull would be doing this if they hadn’t had some encouragement from within the FIA? Maybe someone is keen that there isn’t a precedent set that you can tip your championship rival off and only get a 10 sec penalty. I can almost hear whiny Horner droning down the phone to them saying how often this kind of thing will happen in the future if the penalty isn’t revised under appeal.
Limejuice
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This was something Karun (Sky) showed during the race, and Jolyon Palmer showed n his post-race analysis. They both concluded it was a racing incident. I don't think Hammy was "predominately" to blame at all. And I could make a good case for saying Max was more to blame, and was thus the architect of his own accident.
That said, it shows Horner is a whiny little git, and it shows Max lacks the character of a worthy champion. Proper champions take set-backs on the chin. They rise to the challenge. FFS, Grosjean didn't start crying to the stewards about the collision in his last race, and the poor sod was nearly burned to death. Max: "unsportsmanlike". The sheer hypocrisy of Max accusing any other driver of being too robust is a tad much.
I hope the FIA rescinds the 10-second penalty, awards Hammy a 10-second head-start, and the right to trail a banner saying, "Fuck you, you whiny twat" during the race.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
You do know he was turning into a right handed corner?
I wonder if Red Bull would be doing this if they hadn’t had some encouragement from within the FIA? Maybe someone is keen that there isn’t a precedent set that you can tip your championship rival off and only get a 10 sec penalty. I can almost hear whiny Horner droning down the phone to them saying how often this kind of thing will happen in the future if the penalty isn’t revised under appeal.
Yeah but he knew there was a car on the inside, he paid the price for impetuous driving. Should Lewis have stayed there, maybe, maybe not but there he was.
And then Max found out what happens when you fuck about.
Limejuice
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Even though he had plenty of room on the outside of Copse to safely make the corner (not necessarily in front, but definitely safely) Max made a specific move designed to make Hammy back off - again. He didn't this time.
Max: "Boo hoo. Look what you made me do. My daddy's bigger than yours..."
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I agree actually - whatever happens as a result of this appeal, Max has learned Lewis isn’t going to always be the one to blink first and that should only improve the racing the rest of the year
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
If it gets him off the subject of the Renault hybrid engine it will have been worth it…kinda want max to lose the WC now
just so Horner can continue to whine about this for the next 20 years
Ps. I still think Max will prevail in the end. Soz
He’s younger, hungrier and has a better car this year.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
If it gets him off the subject of the Renault hybrid engine it will have been worth it…
Ps. I still think Max will prevail in the end. Soz
no need to apologise I'm a neutral
just think Horner has always been a cockend
1%er
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Verstappen: Hamilton/Merc celebrations ‘show how they really are’
Max Verstappen says he was called by Lewis Hamilton after their controversial British Grand Prix collision but stands by his criticism of Hamilton’s driving and post-race celebrations. While Verstappen was sent for precautionary checks in hospital following his 51G impact, Hamilton recovered from a 10-second time penalty for causing the collision to win the grand prix. Later on Sunday evening, Verstappen said that watching Hamilton’s celebrations with a jubilant home crowd post-race was “disrespectful and unsportsmanlike behaviour” given Verstappen was in hospital. Hamilton was unaware of that at the time and Mercedes was aware via the FIA that Verstappen was OK, and the hospital visit was only precautionary.After the race, Hamilton indicated he could contact Verstappen – which Verstappen revealed ahead of the Hungarian Grand Prix did happen, although hinted it resolved little as Verstappen is adamant that Hamilton was totally to blame and doubled down on his criticism of the post-race conduct. “He did call me,” said Verstappen. “I don’t need to go into details about that, but we did have a chat. What you mean with disrespectful, when one guy is in the hospital and the other is waving the flag around like nothing has happened while you push the guy into the wall with 51g. And not only that, just the whole reaction of the team besides that. I think that’s not how you celebrate a win, especially a win how they got it. That’s what I found really disrespectful. In a way it shows how they really are. It comes out after a pressure situation, but I wouldn’t want to be seen like that.”
Verstappen’s hospital visit post-race means he has barely commented publicly on the incident beyond his critical tweet and some minor remarks in Red Bull’s official preview of this weekend’s event. But Red Bull has been relentless over the issue, heavily criticising Hamilton and Mercedes while also petitioning for the stewards to review the penalty, which they felt was insufficient given Hamilton was to blame yet went on to win. Verstappen has now made it clear he feels he “didn’t do anything wrong” and shut down suggestions he is too “aggressive”. “I fought hard, I defended hard, but not aggressively because if it would have been aggressive I could have squeezed him into the inside wall,” he said. “But I did give him the space and then I just opened up my corner and when you then commit on the inside like he did and not back out, expecting you can do the same speed on that angle that I had on the outside, you are going to crash into me. I’m on the outside, I’m opening up my corner not expecting him to commit and he understeered into the rear of my car. There’s not much I can do. Of course, people easily say I’m an aggressive driver or whatever, which I don’t think I am. I’m a hard driver, I race hard but at the end of the day I think I know quite well how I have to position my car and I haven’t been involved in accidents where I run into people. I have zero penalty points as well, so I think that already says quite a bit.”
While his call with Hamilton did not leave the pair aligned on what happened, Verstappen indicated that the relationship has not suffered lasting damage. He said the two drivers are “racers” and will “just keep on going”. “Of course I’m not happy with what happened there but we’ll keep on pushing, we’re still fighting for that championship together,” he said. “And we will race I think in the best manner going forward, at least from my side.” It is not yet clear what Red Bull wants the stewards to review specifically over the incident but the team has made it abundantly clear that a harsher penalty – even a one-race ban – was required. The FIA’s position is that the consequences of a clash should not determine the penalty, but Verstappen believes the penalty was not “correct”.
“You take out your main rival and especially with the speed we have in our cars, we are miles ahead of the third best team,” he said. “We are easily 40-50 seconds ahead in normal conditions so a 10-second penalty doesn’t do anything. So definitely that penalty should have been more severe.”
1%er
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Protest from Red Bull unsuccessful; no heavier penalty for Hamilton
On Thursday afternoon, the FIA held a hearing on Red Bull Racing's protest over the penalty given to Lewis Hamilton for knocking Max Verstappen off the track at the British Grand Prix.Ten second time penalty
It happened during the opening lap at Silverstone. After Verstappen and Hamilton had been fighting each other for a few corners, things went wrong at Copse Corner. While Hamilton tried to overtake the Dutchman, the Brit hit the rear wheel of Verstappen, which caused a 51G crash for the Dutchman. Hamilton got a time penalty of ten seconds and eventually won the race.Red Bull in protest
The Red Bull Racing team felt that Hamilton's penalty was far too light and appealed. This afternoon at 16:00 hours the hearing was held where Red Bull also presented new evidence. This new evidence was not available at the time and according to the team would show that Hamilton was completely to blame. Red Bull hoped that the protest would result in Hamilton being suspended for a race.FIA does not go along with Red Bull
Red Bull's protest was unsuccessful however. The FIA does not accept the protest of Verstappen's team and Hamilton will not be given a heavier penalty. According to the stewards, Red Bull did not provide significant additional evidence, as reported by Telegraaf journalist Erik van Haaren on Twitter. Verstappen will therefore have to increase his lead over his title rival with a victory on Sunday.
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also LOL at "Karen Horner" trending on twitter.
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spitfire
Walty McWaltface
What were they thinking? That's fucking stupid. lol.
"Look at this thing that might be a bit the same but not quite on a different day and it's a car going fast so it's the same yeah."
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
What were they thinking? That's fucking stupid. lol.
"Look at this thing that might be a bit the same but not quite on a different day and it's a car going fast so it's the same yeah."
I haven't got a particular axe to grind with Horner or Max, they are F1 people so their comments etc. must be taken with that in view. But that's stoopid.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Is it me or are Red Bull loosing the PR fight on this one, and coming out of this looking petty and vindictive? Maybe I’m projecting my own opinions there, but Horner might not be strengthening his job security by attracting negative press when the whole reason Red Bull is in F1 is to strengthen its brand image.
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
Maybe it's a nationality thing?
Brits tend to dislike sore losers and to favour gracious winners.
But maybe in Maxland and RedBullistan being a whiny little loser is the apex of character and honour?
Maybe the whole team is urging Horner to overcome his natural stoicism, sang froid and stiff upper lip, and to keep appealing for a red card for Hammy.
I mean, anything's possible, right?
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Apparently FP1 is to be the test bed to prove whether it’s fit to race, so we should know for sure later.It seems the Honda engine from Max's crashed car has been inspected and can be raced. So no engine penalty for Max.
Boo.
Limejuice
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Max has set the fastest time so far in FP1, so it's not too shabby.
Before the session, the Sky guys said the engine had been flown to Honda in Japan. They inspected it without screwing up the FIA anti-tampering stuff, and then sent it back to Hungary with a clean bill of health.
Apparently, it doesn't have to self-isolate.
1%er
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FP1: Verstappen pips Mercedes duo in opening practice
Red Bull Racing driver Max Verstappen ended the opening practice for the Hungarian Grand Prix on top, edging the Mercedes duo of Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton. Following his 51G crash at the British Grand Prix, Max Verstappen rolled out in an F1 car for the first time in the opening practice in Budapest. Despite the crash requiring a hospital visit, the Dutch driver seemingly did not have any physical problems, setting the benchmark in the early part of the session on the Hard compound.Of the top drivers, the Mercedes duo became the first to head back on to the 4.3km Hungaroring track on the red-walled soft compound. Valtteri Bottas found a big improvement on the C4 compound, jumping comfortably to the top of the standings. His team mate Lewis Hamilton completed two hot laps on the soft rubber with his second one proving the quicker, but he was unable to usurp the lead from his Finn team mate. Red Bull followed a different programme to most of the teams with the Milton Keynes outfit opting for a second run on their used set of Hard tyres. When most of the field ran on the C4 compound, Red Bull was still eager to finesse their cars on the white-walled rubber.
When Red Bull also rolled out on the soft compound, Verstappen was able to beat the Bottas’ benchmark, albeit his lap of 1m17.555 was only half a tenth of a second quicker than the Finn’s previous best lap. While the Dutchman excelled on the red-walled compound, his team mate Sergio Perez was also a second slower, ending up ninth fastest. Ferrari was expected to go well around the twisty Hungaroring which the Italians managed to do in the opening session. While Charles Leclerc was the faster driver on the Hard Pirelli rubber, it was Carlos Sainz to finish higher up in FP1. The Spaniard set a time of 1m18.115 to go fourth fastest with his Monegasque team mate setting the seventh best lap time.
Along with Pierre Gasly, Daniel Ricciardo racke dup the highest number of laps in the first session, although the Australian was unable to finish higher up than P14. His Bristol-born team mate Lando Norris completed a more impressive session, clocking in the 9th fastest lap time. The session was red-flagged with 18 minutes remaining when rookie Yuki Tsunoda suffered a Turn 9 spin and compounded that with a Turn 4 off. The Japanese driver ended the session in P12 with his best time just under six tenths of a second slower than the benchmark set by his team mate Pierre Gasly, who completed an impressive session, ending up fifth fastest. Alfa Romeo's stand-in Robert Kubica took over for Kimi Raikkonen in FP1 and finished 18th, behind him Haas's Nikita Mazepin. Antonio Gionvinazzi ended up in the lasp position, having been confined to the garage for much of the session with a technical issue.
Results
| Pos. | No. | Driver | Car | Time | Gap | Laps |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 33 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull Racing Honda | 1:17.555 | 21 | |
| 2 | 77 | Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | 1:17.616 | +0.061s | 26 |
| 3 | 44 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 1:17.722 | +0.167s | 25 |
| 4 | 55 | Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 1:18.115 | +0.560s | 24 |
| 5 | 10 | Pierre Gasly | Alphatauri Honda | 1:18.181 | +0.626s | 27 |
| 6 | 14 | Fernando Alonso | Alpine Renault | 1:18.385 | +0.830s | 26 |
| 7 | 16 | Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 1:18.391 | +0.836s | 23 |
| 8 | 11 | Sergio Perez | Red Bull Racing Honda | 1:18.466 | +0.911s | 20 |
| 9 | 4 | Lando Norris | Mclaren Mercedes | 1:18.649 | +1.094s | 26 |
| 10 | 18 | Lance Stroll | Aston Martin Mercedes | 1:18.755 | +1.200s | 25 |
| 11 | 31 | Esteban Ocon | Alpine Renault | 1:18.765 | +1.210s | 26 |
| 12 | 22 | Yuki Tsunoda | Alphatauri Honda | 1:18.770 | +1.215s | 18 |
| 13 | 5 | Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin Mercedes | 1:18.989 | +1.434s | 22 |
| 14 | 3 | Daniel Ricciardo | Mclaren Mercedes | 1:19.265 | +1.710s | 27 |
| 15 | 63 | George Russell | Williams Mercedes | 1:19.724 | +2.169s | 24 |
| 16 | 6 | Nicholas Latifi | Williams Mercedes | 1:19.824 | +2.269s | 24 |
| 17 | 47 | Mick Schumacher | Haas Ferrari | 1:20.383 | +2.828s | 26 |
| 18 | 88 | Robert Kubica | Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari | 1:20.639 | +3.084s | 23 |
| 19 | 9 | Nikita Mazepin | Haas Ferrari | 1:20.992 | +3.437s | 23 |
| 20 | 99 | Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari | 1:21.889 | +4.334s | 5 |
1%er
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Bottas tops Hungarian GP 2nd practice
Valtteri Bottas posted the fastest time ahead of Mercedes teammate Lewis Hamilton in second practice for the Hungarian Grand Prix on Friday. Formula One championship leader Max Verstappen finished a blisteringly hot day behind them in third, having led the two Mercedes cars in first practice. Bottas was a narrow .027 seconds ahead of Hamilton and .298 clear of Verstappen, who leads Hamilton by eight points overall after 10 races. The seven-time F1 champion Hamilton made a rare mistake during the session when he misjudged a turn and went off track.French driver Esteban Ocon was an encouraging fourth for the French-owned Alpine team. But Ferrari struggled for pace with Charles Leclerc 11th and Carlos Sainz Jr. in 12th. There is a third and final practice Saturday ahead of qualifying in the afternoon. Getting pole position could prove crucial in Sunday's race. The sinewy and tight Hungaroring is arguably the hardest track to overtake on after Monaco — where Ferrari's Charles Leclerc took pole position this season for the ninth of his career. Leclerc's younger brother, Arthur Leclerc, took the first pole of his career at the Hungaroring on Friday, in F3.
Earlier Friday, Verstappen was fastest ahead of Bottas and Hamilton. He went to the top of the board with about 10 minutes left, pipping Bottas by a narrow margin of .061 and placing .167 clear of defending champion Hamilton. Tensions between Hamilton and Verstappen have been running high since last Sunday's British GP, where Hamilton won after Verstappen crashed following contact with his Mercedes on Lap 1. Verstappen was upset with Hamilton's jubilant celebrations while he was having checks in hospital.
Red Bull's appeal of the incident was rejected by governing body FIA on Friday and no further action was taken against Hamilton, who won at Silverstone despite being handed a 10-second time penalty. In a remarkable near-miss during practice, Verstappen and Hamilton almost collided in the pit lane as they exited their garages simultaneously. In hot conditions on the sunbaked Hungaroring track, Sainz Jr. was fourth ahead of AlphaTauri's Pierre Gasly. The hour-long session was briefly held up with about 20 minutes left after Japanese driver Yuki Tsunoda's AlphaTauri hit a wall. He was unhurt.
Verstappen leads Hamilton 5-4 for wins so far this season, with Red Bull's Sergio Perez the only other driver to win. There is a four-week summer break after Sunday's race, where Hamilton will look to win in Hungary for a record-extending ninth time and fourth straight.
PRACTICE 2
| Pos | No | Driver | Car | Time | Gap | Laps |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 77 | Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | 1:17.012 | 29 | |
| 2 | 44 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 1:17.039 | +0.027s | 27 |
| 3 | 33 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull Racing Honda | 1:17.310 | +0.298s | 24 |
| 4 | 31 | Esteban Ocon | Alpine Renault | 1:17.759 | +0.747s | 29 |
| 5 | 11 | Sergio Perez | Red Bull Racing Honda | 1:17.824 | +0.812s | 23 |
| 6 | 10 | Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri Honda | 1:18.113 | +1.101s | 31 |
| 7 | 14 | Fernando Alonso | Alpine Renault | 1:18.169 | +1.157s | 27 |
| 8 | 5 | Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin Mercedes | 1:18.228 | +1.216s | 31 |
| 9 | 4 | Lando Norris | McLaren Mercedes | 1:18.313 | +1.301s | 25 |
| 10 | 18 | Lance Stroll | Aston Martin Mercedes | 1:18.320 | +1.308s | 30 |
| 11 | 16 | Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 1:18.370 | +1.358s | 30 |
| 12 | 55 | Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | 1:18.441 | +1.429s | 32 |
| 13 | 3 | Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren Mercedes | 1:18.737 | +1.725s | 26 |
| 14 | 7 | Kimi Räikkönen | Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari | 1:19.277 | +2.265s | 21 |
| 15 | 63 | George Russell | Williams Mercedes | 1:19.292 | +2.280s | 29 |
| 16 | 6 | Nicholas Latifi | Williams Mercedes | 1:19.479 | +2.467s | 30 |
| 17 | 22 | Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri Honda | 1:19.671 | +2.659s | 3 |
| 18 | 47 | Mick Schumacher | Haas Ferrari | 1:19.817 | +2.805s | 29 |
| 19 | 99 | Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari | 1:20.186 | +3.174s | 28 |
| 20 | 9 | Nikita Mazepin | Haas Ferrari | 1:21.881 | +4.869s | 28 |
