F1 2021

[Epico]

ps.. no wonder he struggles to control the race when the teams seem to occupy half his time with whinging via talkback comms. Get him an answerphone!

Put me in charge. Horner would get short shrift from his "Sir, Sir Lewis did a naughy thing" routine.

 

[Hollis]

This is quite amusing if you follow Pro Cycling.. Whole thread.. but this one in particular.

 

[spitfire]

Whoever does start the new thread may want to follow this request in the feedback forum.

https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/editing-posts.348749/

 

[Limejuice]

Race protest.

My guess: three things will happen.

Mercedes' protest will not achieve what they want. The race outcome will stand. Mercedes will appeal that decision; lawyers will get richer. Nothing will change.

It will be found that the race director made a Horlicks of the safety car restart. Michael Masi will be asked to consider whether he prefers gardening to motor racing. I think he has lost the confidence of too many big players.

Next year there will be an absolute ban on team principals contacting the race director during the race. There have been way too many negotiations in real time.

 

[MrCurry]

Next year there will be an absolute ban on team principals contacting the race director during the race. There have been way too many negotiations in real time.

Yeah, it’s not been a good look this year with FOM TV sending out Masi’s “so sorry, I hadn’t actually looked at the classification before I tried to haggle with you over where you want to start“ love-in with Red Bull.

 

[ricbake]

Race protest.

My guess: three things will happen.

Mercedes' protest will not achieve what they want. The race outcome will stand. Mercedes will appeal that decision; lawyers will get richer. Nothing will change.

It will be found that the race director made a Horlicks of the safety car restart. Michael Masi will be asked to consider whether he prefers gardening to motor racing. I think he has lost the confidence of too many big players.

Next year there will be an absolute ban on team principals contacting the race director during the race. There have been way too many negotiations in real time.

Sounds about right!

 

[Limejuice]

Ted Kravitz (on Sky) said earlier that Masi has tried to do the right thing and to be collaborative with the teams. But given the nature of F1, the race director needs to be a dictator.

 

[ricbake]

Ted Kravitz (on Sky) said earlier that Masi has tried to do the right thing and to be collaborative with the teams. But given the nature of F1, the race director needs to be a dictator.

Exactly he has to tell them how it works not ask them how they would prefer it to be!

 

[Ax^]

Gunter for race director


what are you two wankers playing at

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

It's been nearly an hour and I am still quietly seething. God only knows how Toto Wolf is feeling.

Every season that passes inches me closer and closer to not giving a fuck about F1. It’s not the sport I used to love anymore, 35 years of following it and I think I’m done.

 

[Ax^]

aside from Rugby which i used to play so it a bit different

F1 Motorsport has been my go to sport since i discovered in the 1994 season aged 11 on bbc, the season we lost senna

this is the first season since then to make me feel conflicted about the result

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

aside from Rugby which i used to play so it a bit different

F1 Motorsport has been my go to sport since i discovered in the 1994 season aged 11 on bbc, the season we lost senna

this is the first season since then to make me feel conflicted about the result

Even the Senna/Prost, and Schumacher/Hill results I could accept because they were the result of drivers actions on the track. They raced. It was sport.

This season was decided - at multiple points - by a bloke in the race control tower. That’s not sport, it’s entertainment management.

 

[Epico]

Michael Masi fucks dogs pass it on.

Yes I am still angry, and yes I am 12 years old emotionally.

 

[Limejuice]

That’s not sport, it’s entertainment management.

Jenson Button on Sky: This controversy shows that F1 isn't just a sport, it's big business.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Advantage Red Bull?

 

[Limejuice]

Advantage Red Bull?

Probably.

Lawyers, especially QCs, can be hopeless at arguing.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Mercedes won’t get anywhere, the sport will lose too much for any result to get changed now.

 

[Ax^]

FIA won't vote against Masi

even if he made a complete hash of it


its Maxs championship

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

 

[Lord Camomile]

Mercedes won’t get anywhere, the sport will lose too much for any result to get changed now.

FIA won't vote against Masi

even if he made a complete hash of it


its Maxs championship

Aye, have to assume so; would be extremely surprised if they overturned things.

Can Mercedes get anything else out of it, though? And will it be worth it?

Obviously it's very easy for me to say sitting on my sofa hundreds of miles away from the track, but do wonder if they'd have been better off just swallowing it, stewing and moving on. Maybe that would have its own problems though, looking like they weren't fighting for what is actually a fairly legitimate case (from the perspective of my sofa).

 

[Limejuice]

Aye, have to assume so; would be extremely surprised if they overturned things.

Can Mercedes get anything else out of it, though? And will it be worth it?

Obviously it's very easy for me to say sitting on my sofa hundreds of miles away from the track, but do wonder if they'd have been better off just swallowing it, stewing and moving on. Maybe that would have its own problems though, looking like they weren't fighting for what is actually a fairly legitimate case (from the perspective of my sofa).

I think Mercedes are looking for an admission that the race decisions taken were wrong. Toto wants a mea culpa.

Even though they won't change the result, the FIA can make a mealy-mouthed statement about needing firmer procedures, etc. etc., which will come along for next year. Toto will be partly mollified.

 

[spitfire]

Watching C4 highlights.

Overtaking behind safety car rejected.

 

[Lord Camomile]

First protest, re: Verstappen overtaking under safety car, rejected.

"Although (VER) did, for a very short period of time, move slightly in front of (HAM), when both were accelerating and braking, moved back behind and not in front when safety car period ended"

 

[Ax^]

second one will be rejected

fuck up by the FIA and Masi but they won't be going against themselves

 

[spitfire]

5 - 10 mins before verdict on the second appeal.

 

[spitfire]

second one will be rejected

fuck up by the FIA and Masi but they won't be going against themselves

Yeah, it wasn't RB's actions that made it happen so as shite as it is the result should stand.

 

[a_chap]

I've read page after page of comment and discussion about the race.

Yet no-one has yet asked the most important question...

Spoiler

Will Lewis Hamilton be sending Nicholas Latifi a Christmas card this year?

 

[spitfire]

C4 are reporting live from the paddock by the way.

 

[Ax^]

was wondering why the replay was so quick saying that

C4 coverage as unbaised as ever


Webber " Coultard talk us through our boys lap"

 

[Ax^]

Yeah, it wasn't RB's actions that made it happen so as shite as it is the result should stand.

and Masi should get his p45