Eurovision 2024 - Malmö
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
This is a stunningly crap analysis of the political implications of the contest.
Israel came from bottom eighth in the jury vote, to top third in the public vote.
They and their supporters will consider this a massive vindication, by populist Europe, of their policies.
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PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
It's not murder.
I suspect we're dealing with gaming of the televote system. Easy to do. Easy to manipulate.
You're passionate and angry and I don't have the right to take away your emotions, I'm not going to begin. My only thing to say before bed is this: unfortunately, Israel holds massive influence and power in many different fields, and that includes whatever strength comes from trying to nobble the results of a reality singing competition; at the start of today, I could feel my love of this silly little show dilute into nothing, crumble into dust, and I've been a fan for 30+ years. Israel actually winning, actually coming first, would have been the end of a lifetime of watching, supporting, ordering national finals on VHS back in the day, the breaking of my heart. For my happiness, and I hope yours in time, their game playing and cynical attitude failed. Yes, they got 300+ televotes, so did Ukraine, we can weave narratives all day long from these things.
Switzerland won. And with three songs in one, performed by a non-binary person who called for peace on the stage. That's the best thing to take from tonight.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Fucking idiot.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
It is something that was bound to happen. The EBU knew that it would happen. It will help to reassure the Israeli public that they're not so bad as they're made out to be, as they chow down and watch edited highlights of their genocide.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
I'm happy to leave this as the final word.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Nope
Yes yes yes, nobody said that the acts don’t game the system to allow enhancement of their singer’s vocals. Just that the rules say that the lead vocals, and only the lead vocals, have to be sung live. If you’re arguing that it’s dumb to allow backing vocals to be prerecorded, you’ll get no argument from me. It creates this big blurry middle ground. But it’s the same for everyone — nobody is cheating here.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
If pro-Palestine people boycotted the contest and pro-Israel people who normally ignore the contest took part then this is what you get.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Yeah, I don't get it...UK public vote gave 12 points to Israel
I've listened to Ireland's songs a few more times since last night - Doomsday Blues - what a gem it is! But it would never win Eurovision, it's too "dark" or something something (pagan/witchy?!). Switzerland winning though, is pretty cool. The video for the song is quite life affirming, more in the Eurovision vein. Also it has "Code" and "1 and 0" in it, as a programmer I feel fully included
. It's an interesting song & it fits multiple genres within... (a bit d&b, rock opera, rap...) Plus the 'finding and being yourself' message... It feels genuine, less formulaic that so many other forgettable Eurovision songs. Also, first non binary winner!Oh, also the megavote Ukraine got from the public!
If that wasn't political I don't know what was. We sort of forgotten a little bit about the war in Ukraine, because of Israel-Palestine, but this served as a reminder that's still very much going on.
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girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Funny that Nemo broke the trophy soon after getting it, on stage
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Before belting out their catchy tune, the star dropped to the floor and passionately waved the glass microphone in the air.
But as the star went to stand back up, Nemo slammed the trophy on the stage as they tried to balance themselves to stand up.
Eurovision winner Nemo broke their trophy just minutes after they were crowned the song contest's winner during the final on Saturday
When the singer finally managed to stand, half of the trophy was lying on the stage and the other half was still firmly gripped in their hand.
The breakage came 30 seconds after the show's TV presenter Graham Norton said on the show's voice over 'don't break the trophy'.
This will come as a shock to the show's producers as they had already installed scaffolding to prevent the award from snapping after a previous incident 15 years ago.
-------- From the DM-------
Before belting out their catchy tune, the star dropped to the floor and passionately waved the glass microphone in the air.
But as the star went to stand back up, Nemo slammed the trophy on the stage as they tried to balance themselves to stand up.
Eurovision winner Nemo broke their trophy just minutes after they were crowned the song contest's winner during the final on Saturday
When the singer finally managed to stand, half of the trophy was lying on the stage and the other half was still firmly gripped in their hand.
The breakage came 30 seconds after the show's TV presenter Graham Norton said on the show's voice over 'don't break the trophy'.
This will come as a shock to the show's producers as they had already installed scaffolding to prevent the award from snapping after a previous incident 15 years ago.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Yeah, I don't get it...
I've listened to Ireland's songs a few more times since last night - Doomsday Blues - what a gem it is! But it would never win Eurovision, it's too "dark" or something something (pagan/witchy?!). Switzerland winning though, is pretty cool. The video for the song is quite life affirming, more in the Eurovision vein. Also it has "Code" and "1 and 0" in it, as a programmer I feel fully included
Oh, also the megavote Ukraine got from the public!
They also used the 0s and 1s to represent being non-binary. Very clever. A worthy winner.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
This is why boycotts don't work. Israel manipulated the protest and took advantage, they even bought YouTube advertising to encourage countries to vote. I've just looked back at what I wrote last night and I stand by it: they did everything they could to nobble the votes and the EBU was too weak and timid to deal with them properly, and for that, I still have a shadow over my love of this year's Contest; but despite everything they did, from the lyrics to the harassment to attempted vote manipulation, they lost. We're going to Switzerland because the eventual winner, the real winner, defeated them.
There's much to be done to the Contest to repair all the damage: Israel is part of the fault line to fix. The voting may need to be altered, the structure of the EBU, the role Israeli companies play in sponsorship etc. Things need repairing to save the Contest from itself, much like it did when the novelty songs era almost killed it a few years ago.
Switzerland won. Nobody else. And soon enough, if the forum allows, I'll start the next thread for Zürich 2025, and the party carries on.
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
I think the trends this year were very long hair, and falsetto/head voice singing.
My favourite actual song was Germany, but happy with the winner all the same.
I agree that Israel won. Obviously it's not about the actual winning, but legitimised in their genocide, no justification from EBU that can't be countered with..in that case just let Russia & Belarus back in
I was praying for some of the dissidence slip through (booing, Palestinian flags) but they did a great job of suppressing it all. Which I'm sure was hard work, doesn't that tell you something.
My favourite actual song was Germany, but happy with the winner all the same.
I agree that Israel won. Obviously it's not about the actual winning, but legitimised in their genocide, no justification from EBU that can't be countered with..in that case just let Russia & Belarus back in
I was praying for some of the dissidence slip through (booing, Palestinian flags) but they did a great job of suppressing it all. Which I'm sure was hard work, doesn't that tell you something.Yes that is truePosters on reddit have said that - despite it's somewhat misleading name - the Eurovision sponsor Moroccan Oil is an Israeli company
I used to use Moroccan Oil the brand.. and stopped as soon as I realised it was an Israeli company.
AverageJoe
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There was a lot of "singers lying down" moments too.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
You really don't need a Zionist Conspiracy theory to explain it. You just need people dedicated and spendthrift enough to repeatedly dial the same number and pay the charges.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Some did slip through, pleasingly: the Portuguese singer had scarf designs as nail varnish, Ireland put a watermelon behind them in the green room. The Swiss winner had to smuggle their non-binary flag in their costume after hearing that fans were getting theirs binned.I think the trends this year were very long hair, and falsetto/head voice singing.
My favourite actual song was Germany, but happy with the winner all the same.
I agree that Israel won. Obviously it's not about the actual winning, but legitimised in their genocide, no justification from EBU that can't be countered with..in that case just let Russia & Belarus back in
As I said, there is a lot to be done to repair the EBU and its organisation. I agree more than I disagree with you and other posters. I think the only place of divergence is whether we say Israel "won" and I still say the answer is no.
And maybe this will be my final word having had a few follow ups.
Yeah, and you don't have to be Jewish to support Israel either - plenty of gentiles would have voted for them out of spite and to stick it to the wokes (I say this because on another site I'm on, any accusation of concerted efforts to make Israel win gets met with 'oh so you're blaming Jews, are you?') Like, fuck off, GB News isn't exactly a Jew-friendly station and those cunts still supported Israel in Eurovision.
(FWIW I am Jewish myself.)
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
It's easy for the pro-Israel supporters to boost their tally; get people to vote for Israel. The anti-Israel cause is much more difficult; any "anyone but Israel" vote is fragmented, and the you have to factor in the boycotts etc.
The scores in the public vote were horrifying, but it has to go down as a big plus (like the Swiss flag) that we're going to Zurich next year, not Tel Aviv.
The scores in the public vote were horrifying, but it has to go down as a big plus (like the Swiss flag) that we're going to Zurich next year, not Tel Aviv.
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tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
"Lobby" is a popular antiSemitic dogwhistle. Why did you use it?
