Euro Elections: Who are you most likely to vote for?

[kyser_soze]

Smubage or something. Don't worry about naming names when it comes to fash.

 

[frogwoman]

But there is a difference between a generalised 'movement' and the Green Party, which has a specific set of policies in place which are easily verified:

Green Party of England and Wales
Manifesto for a Sustainable Society
http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/mfss/

edited to add:...what you are failing to do on this thread however, is show that you recognise any difference between a specific political party which is called "green" and a generalised "movement".

i wasn't talking about the green party though ... i'm well aware that there is a difference.

 

[DownwardDog]

13 now.

I think an anonymous poll with the BNP listed as one of the choices is a bit of an invitation for a bnp lurker to run back and get a load of their mates to sign up and vote...

The fact that they be bothered and organised enough to stuff ballots in a poll at the arse end of the Internet is quite interesting in itself. Where's the Swappie poll rigging operation? Don't they want the occupation of Gaza to end?

 

[Starance]

The fact that they be bothered and organised enough to stuff ballots in a poll at the arse end of the Internet is quite interesting in itself. Where's the Swappie poll rigging operation? Don't they want the occupation of Gaza to end?

You can blame that on the current establistment for not doing nothing. You can also blame the current establishment in all Christian countries for doing nothing to stop the attacks on Christians throughout Africa and India, where over 30,000 Christians were displaced, attacked, and killed.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The support for fascism on these boards is frankly revolting but even more depressing. What on earth do they think fascist representation will achieve? What is interesting is that there havent been any more "racial tension" stories than usual really, possibly even less. A lot of Eastern Euro migrants might well be knackering off home as well. This is more likely a response to the economic situation. Fascists are often happy to wear the clothes of the socialist for this purpose, both being collectivist ideologies. That being the case it should be the socialists that people are supporting on that basis not racist criminal numpties who generally show themselves to be inept in any elected position.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I find that pov in green politics worrying and very similar to a lot of the views about 'life unworthy of life' that grew up in Germany between 1900 and 1945.

I'm suspicious of greens because there is a crossover between the extremes of greenery and the blood and soil stuff from the nationalist right.

Not that this applies to all Greens BTW but that and the authoritarianism puts me off of them voting wise.

In practice, the idea that the greens have rightist or authoritarian traits is a suitable myth. The Green Party has more anarchist influences than any other I am aware of.

 

[frogwoman]

Some do, some have more marxist/anarchist ideas, it really depends.

 

[_float_]

The fact that they be bothered and organised enough to stuff ballots in a poll at the arse end of the Internet is quite interesting in itself. Where's the Swappie poll rigging operation? Don't they want the occupation of Gaza to end?

U75 is not 'the arse end' of the internet, in terms of 'alternative' political discussion in the UK ... it is fairly well known that some people here keep an eye on s********t and vice-versa. It also doesn't take much organisation to post a link and say "vote here" - just a few seconds.

Didn't the SWP issue a fatwa against their members posting here, on the grounds of internal secretacy/confidentiality after someone reported back from their conference once?

 

[_float_]

Smubage or something. Don't worry about naming names when it comes to fash.

I'm not going to make a list of people I *suspect* just based on a couple of weird posts...

...better to make a mental note and see what they post.

eta: if we re-ran this poll but make it open rather than anonymous I really doubt the BNP would get any votes - either that or all their votes would come from people who have registered in the last few days and have between zero and 3 posts.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Having thunk about it, this does smack of the board being targetted. The nazis are pulling the stops out for these Euros. Every last desperate trick will do.

 

[butchersapron]

There's always been BNP members and supporters on here - vocal or not. And over the years i reckon they often get around 7-10 votes in polls. Maybe they're becoming more popular or something - i'm sure i heard something like that.

 

[DownwardDog]

Some do, some have more marxist/anarchist ideas, it really depends.

Marxism doesn't exactly have a shining reputation for non-authoritarian implementations.

 

[methane man]

Why are the BNP showing as second??
Could be bad news indeed.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

There's always been BNP members and supporters on here - vocal or not. And over the years i reckon they often get around 7-10 votes in polls. Maybe they're becoming more popular or something - i'm sure i heard something like that.

Statistically I wonder if a doubling on this board is likely or not. I fucking well hope not. Sure, I think they are becomming "more popular". It's truly pathetic.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It is depressing that the BNP are second. I wonder how many that voted actually post on here. I have noticed that anonymous polls on Urban do tend to produce a more reactionary result than public ones.

I'll be voting Green if I vote, which I may not.

Come on you BNP fucks. Front up and tell us who you are.

 

[kyser_soze]

It's an anonymous poll on what is probably on of the least representative of general population messageboard on the internet, and you're all getting twisted knickers about a sudden rush of BNP trolls to 'win' on it.

Calm down fowks...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Lurkers, maybe, but not trolls, at least only one or two.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

littlebabyjesus


Im honestly not canvassing you but the way the system works, a Green vote will often be the best way of keeping the nazis from getting a seat.

When the last seat is being allotted, votes for parties who already have seats allotted count quite a lot less.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

It's an anonymous poll on what is probably on of the least representative of general population messageboard on the internet, and you're all getting twisted knickers about a sudden rush of BNP trolls to 'win' on it.

Calm down fowks...

<calms down>

Thing is KS, how can you be sure it is just a sudden rush of trolls? might be a combination of things I suppose.

 

[methane man]

Well it's the ones who won't vote who leave the door open!
If you can't be arsed to vote, the you deserve everything you get, you lazy twats!!
Or is it that a 5-10 minute walk to the polling station is too much for some of the great unwashed?
Blood hell, there will be links to the uaf next for christs sake!!
apathy rules does it?

 

[frogwoman]

you're kind of missing the point, which is that a lot of people on here, being anarchists, dont vote out of principle - because it legitimsies the system etc

oh and fuck off fash

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Well it's the ones who won't vote who leave the door open!
If you can't be arsed to vote, the you deserve everything you get, you lazy twats!!
Or is it that a 5-10 minute walk to the polling station is too much for some of the great unwashed?
Blood hell, there will be links to the uaf next for christs sake!!
apathy rules does it?

I saw a great graphic yesterday saying the 5th horseman of the apocalypse was apathy, think it was on U75 somewhere actually.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

you're kind of missing the point, which is that a lot of people on here, being anarchists, dont vote out of principle - because it legitimsies the system etc

oh and fuck off fash

Well they have to weigh up whether their principles against the possibility of being represented by a fascist, taxes going to fascists and fascists getting a big shot in the arm.

I suppose some people think that fascism is all we deserve if enough people are that twisted or dim. I dont think I would be willing to cut off my nose to spite my face in that sort of a way.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well they have to weigh up whether their principles against the possibility of being represented by a fascist, taxes going to fascists and fascists getting a big shot in the arm.

I suppose some people think that fascism is all we deserve if enough people are that twisted or dim. I dont think I would be willing to cut off my nose to spite my face in that sort of a way.

This is kind of my thinking. I will probably vote if there is a BNP candidate. This is why I voted in last year's local elections – only to find out that I'd made a mistake and it was the next-door ward that had a BNP candidate. @me

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

This is kind of my thinking. I will probably vote if there is a BNP candidate. This is why I voted in last year's local elections – only to find out that I'd made a mistake and it was the next-door ward that had a BNP candidate. @me

Being a Euro region election I'd be astonished if you didnt have a BNP list

 

[kyser_soze]

<calms down>

Thing is KS, how can you be sure it is just a sudden rush of trolls? might be a combination of things I suppose.

Per lbj's correction, I suspect 'lurkers' might be a better definition, and since the balance of lurkers to posters is pretty huge, mebbe this poll's anonymity drew the scum from the woodwork, like some kind of scum-bait.

 

[Zachor]

..............a lot of people on here, being anarchists, dont vote out of principle - because it legitimsies the system etc

I suppose these oh so pure anarchos will be the first to whine when and if the fash end up getting euro seats or parliamentary seats because only the fash voters could be bothered to get out and vote.

An anarchist 'no voting cos it benefits 'the man' ' is a childish cop out which coupled with general voter apathy may well contribute to the fash gaining not only a foothold but more worryingly much more than that gaining significant legitimacy.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They are already gaining legitimacy. A spokesman was interviewed on Radio 4 after their last success in Swanley. The interviewer did not ask questions such as 'do you believe that only white people can be truly British?' or 'how do you intend to represent the ethnic minorities in your ward?', but conducted the whole interview on the level of the BNP's electoral strategy, exploring how they intended to build on their success. The BBC really does lack a moral compass on such things, and they are starting to treat the BNP as just another political party.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The BBC really does lack a moral compass on such things, and they are starting to treat the BNP as just another political party.

It's worse than that. No other party would get coverage all day if a little rally was cancelled weeks in advance. No other party gets coverage if they win or nearly win a ward bye-election.

The BBC has a vile fetish for fascism, I keep saying it but this seems structural to the establishment especially in times of crisis.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Per lbj's correction, I suspect 'lurkers' might be a better definition, and since the balance of lurkers to posters is pretty huge, mebbe this poll's anonymity drew the scum from the woodwork, like some kind of scum-bait.

The fash lurker would still have to be there in numbers. Which still aint good.