Euro Elections: Who are you most likely to vote for?
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FrankMcGill
New Member
They all come out of the same horses arse. The only thing different is the colour of the rosette.
If Greens are so worried about the environment and a sustainable world why do you never hear them talk of over population in this country?
Hypocrites the lot of them.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
well, this basically.
I smell an election coming
ding ding ding
my alarm is going off for some reason
...will wait and watch what happens with this one
ding ding ding
my alarm is going off for some reason
...will wait and watch what happens with this one
Yep, major major troll.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
BNP's 11% would now ensure they get a seat in pretty much any area i think.
6 people voting for labour?surprised there are only two votes for tories tho ...
One of them was me
To be fair this site is not really one that most Conservatives I know would come and look at, let alone bother to post and vote.
The BNP would not gain a seat in the NE of England, I "think" there are only 3 representatives for that area.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
True - the estimate is around 18% for the NE. East mids is estimated at around 13% as well. All hinges on that turnout though - could well prove to be lower in reality.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...not all greens...there are a lot of greenies I've met who've come out with some outrageously authoritarian stuff, justified because it's 'for the greater good'...
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
they have to get that vote and beat the Greens (or another fourth party) to win any seat.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not on this poll they wouldn't! But in their 4 strong areas yes, they should be able to do that - they were already ahead of them in all those areas top beging with, before the momentum of the last 4 years,
dennisr
the acceptable face
This is from an SP report:
"IN AN important move, the Rail, Maritime and Transport workers’ union (RMT) has announced its support for an electoral alliance to contest the forthcoming European elections in June.
A ‘political party’ has been registered – as required under electoral law to contest elections – under the name No2EU-Yes to Democracy, with the RMT general secretary, Bob Crow, as the official ‘leader’. Its platform includes opposition to the European Union (EU) constitution (now re-packaged as the Lisbon treaty), the EU’s pro-privatisation directives, and the anti-trade union and ‘social dumping’ rulings of the European Court of Justice (ECJ). The platform takes a necessary stand against the racist far-right British National Party (BNP), and in defence of international workers’ solidarity.
At present funds are in place for No2EU-Yes to Democracy candidate lists to appear on the ballot paper in a minimum of six of Britain’s eleven electoral ‘regions’, including Scotland and Wales, but more may well be contested.
This is an electoral coalition, with initial support from the RMT, the Socialist Party, the Communist Party of Britain (publishers of the Morning Star), Solidarity – Scotland’s Socialist Movement, and a number of trades union councils. Respect is still considering its involvement; the Socialist Party, for its part, would favour the broadest participation of all left and working class organisations.
No2EU-Yes to Democracy is a temporary platform for the European elections only, with the RMT representatives at the inaugural meeting stressing, unfortunately, that they were not launching a new, workers’ party. But that does not negate its significance as the first electoral challenge to New Labour initiated by a national trade union, the RMT, the most militant industrial union in Britain."
Thats all I know, I am afraid.
dennisr
the acceptable face
and a bit more...
"There are, inevitably, potential difficulties. Because of the constitutional bar on union officials holding parliamentary seats, the RMT is insisting that victorious No2EU-Yes to Democracy candidates will not sit in the European parliament – although they would still campaign, alongside any other European workers’ representatives who are elected in June, against EU attacks on the working class. And a convention of the forces involved in the campaign would be held to work out exactly how to proceed.
Most importantly, socialists could not participate in an electoral block or coalition which made concessions to racist or nationalist prejudices. But that is not the case with the proposals agreed so far around the RMT’s electoral initiative which, while its programme is limited, is at bottom a pro-worker block."
The SP se this as a temporary block at the moment and will see how it develops
"There are, inevitably, potential difficulties. Because of the constitutional bar on union officials holding parliamentary seats, the RMT is insisting that victorious No2EU-Yes to Democracy candidates will not sit in the European parliament – although they would still campaign, alongside any other European workers’ representatives who are elected in June, against EU attacks on the working class. And a convention of the forces involved in the campaign would be held to work out exactly how to proceed.
Most importantly, socialists could not participate in an electoral block or coalition which made concessions to racist or nationalist prejudices. But that is not the case with the proposals agreed so far around the RMT’s electoral initiative which, while its programme is limited, is at bottom a pro-worker block."
The SP se this as a temporary block at the moment and will see how it develops
I've heard that sort of authoritarian shit from some greens as well.
I find that pov in green politics worrying and very similar to a lot of the views about 'life unworthy of life' that grew up in Germany between 1900 and 1945.
I'm suspicious of greens because there is a crossover between the extremes of greenery and the blood and soil stuff from the nationalist right.
Not that this applies to all Greens BTW but that and the authoritarianism puts me off of them voting wise.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
It's not even that, altho that stuff is unpleasant, it's more the pseudo-religious aspect and accompanying certitude of moral righteousness that bothers me, and that can be found in the most relaxed greenie.
As PJ O'Rourke said of the green movement - I know it's right, and I know they're right, I just get really worried whenever there's a mass movement of people who are right, because lots of things can be excused when people are right about something.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yep ... the thing i was readsing last night said that the fact that the green movement tries hard sometimes not to be tied to be any political ideology, so just romanticising the environment rather than examining the cause of why things are like they are, means that it could go in an authoritarian direction because they're replacing political critique with mysticism and romantic dogma ...
c. 30% of the people on this thread said they would vote for Boris as their MP: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=143298One of them was me
To be fair this site is not really one that most Conservatives I know would come and look at, let alone bother to post and vote.
ie - there is sometimes a "local candidate effect"
But there is a difference between a generalised 'movement' and the Green Party, which has a specific set of policies in place which are easily verified:
Green Party of England and Wales
Manifesto for a Sustainable Society
http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/mfss/
edited to add:
...what you are failing to do on this thread however, is show that you recognise any difference between a specific political party which is called "green" and a generalised "movement".frogwoman said:
This makes as much sense as avoiding voting for any kind of left wing party because of what Stalin or Pol Pot did.
If you really care about voting then you should do at least a *small* amount of research into the choices on offer.
13 now.
I think an anonymous poll with the BNP listed as one of the choices is a bit of an invitation for a bnp lurker to run back and get a load of their mates to sign up and vote...
...a theory supported by the sudden arrival of several new posters coming out with slightly atypical comments.
I won't name names, but for example someone with 3 posts banging on about how the UK is overpopulated or wanting to deport the Luton protestors.
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