Surely a comprehensive public transport system could mean something like running trains slightly earlier. Diss to Bury by train can be done in similar time it takes to drive it seems.
Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
You don’t ban them. You make it so that using them is incredibly expensive, impractical, and ultimately downright stupid.
You do this by having cheap, comprehensive, integrated public transport systems and active travel infrastructure, along with road systems and public spaces designed around the needs of people, rather than cars.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Sure but if you follow my link you'll notice that they have a 1hr 20 minutes walk each end, giving a 3hr 15 minutes journey by running earlier trains, compared to 28 minutes by car.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
No one has outlined how you do this without negatively affecting so many people's lives to such an extent as to make it politically impossible, other than in a repressive dictatorship.
Again, easy to do at the city-level for people who never venture into the great wilds, but not everyone lives, works and socialises in London and takes their holidays from Heathrow.
And btw, all cars have people in them, so claiming that something is designed for cars rather than people is nonsensical. May as well rage about a facility designed for bicycles rather than people.
Could a comprehensive transport system not include a bus from Bury station to the industrial estate. Seems reasonable.
Not sure it would be able to cope with your imaginary person who seems to camp in a field though
maomao
普費斯
Because you define any planning as repressive which is absolute bollocks. Stop bullshit jobs, pay everyone a basic income, invest in local communities and education and your poor schmo can enjoy his six hour shifts at Diss technical college rather than pumping his time and wages into travelling forty miles a day in a death machine to do a soul sucking worthless job.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
If only there was a way for people to use more than one type of transport in a single journey.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Invest in a pair of rollerskates.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
No, it's not "planning" we're talking about.
It's quite revealing that you think these are all bullshit soul-sucking worthless jobs:
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
"He got on his bike and looked for work, and he kept looking till he found it," said Tebbitt.
Its quite revealing that you seem to think that people who work on industrial estates live in fields tbh.
maomao
普費斯
I don't see any dream jobs there and yes I've worked in similar industries. Why are essential industries such as food distribution struggling to recruit? That might be a more pertinent question to ask than how do we get some poor fucker here from Diss because there's no-one nearer.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
You might not see your dream job, but stop assuming that everyone else thinks like you. You literally assumed every job there was shit, you really don't have a clue about people outside your bubble do you?
There are multiple precision engineering companies there for example. It doesn't seem unreasonable for them to recruit someone who lives a 28-minute drive away.
maomao
普費斯
Further fuel price rises might well make it unreasonable. Lots of employers have had it easy while car ownership has been so widespread. They can base themselves on out-of-town estates and not worry about how their workers get there because most people have cars and fuel is relatively cheap.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Good luck relocating all of these types of business into town centres. Should be a doddle.
maomao
普費斯
Or just run a shuttle bus from the town centre (the smaller businesses on the estate could cooperate in that). The current travel to work ratio is unsustainable. Where I work there are people who travel over 50 miles a day, past other potential workplaces, and part of the reason for that is that private cars are cheap. There are lots of advantages to the employer to do things this way. Disgruntled employees are more likely to sling their hooks and work elsewhere than stay and fight in a union. People are more likely to feel replaceable because of the massive pool of labour the employer can draw upon. Doesn't sound much like freedom to me.
Where are they parking a car if they live in a field? Shows how bad our infrastructure that this poor soul has to prioritise buying a car over proper housing. Depressing.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Perhaps the employers themselves could pay for shuttle busses from a few transport hub locations.
Famously there are no industrial estates in London.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
A shuttle bus, train etc would still extend the 28 minute car commute in my example to over an hour. I’m sure there’s some low-hanging fruit of extra buses and more trains here and there, but the task of converting millions of people lives to operate without cars whilst not cutting multiple hours from their days when they’re supposed to be looking after children and elderly parents and doing lots other stuff, is just so vast as to be practically unachievable.
I note that everyone arguing for banning cars on here lives in London or some other big city.
When people who currently live and work in small towns and villages across the country and own cars are campaigning for their abolition, I will take notice.
I note that everyone arguing for banning cars on here lives in London or some other big city.
When people who currently live and work in small towns and villages across the country and own cars are campaigning for their abolition, I will take notice.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
For the benefit of those who haven't read the thread: the contention in the OP is not that all private cars should be banned everywhere now. I clarify this in several posts in the first couple of pages.
platinumsage likes to argue against this imaginary contention to keep himself occupied. Sometimes he accidentally starts arguing against the real contention, and then loses the argument, so reverts to posting pictures of crashed buses and so on.
He's allowed to post on the thread because it keeps it visible in new posts.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Of the 9,471 posts on the thread, how many detail a viable pathway to eliminating private cars say by 2050, when we’re supposed to be at net zero?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
None of mine. Why are you suddenly introducing net zero to the discussion?
maomao
普費斯
Given the number of people arguing on this thread and the likelihood of living in a genuinely rural setting in the UK (as well as the likelihood of having less convenient internet access in those locations) it's statistically unlikely that anyone will ever come here to argue such a position.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
You said “the contention in the OP is not that all private cars should be banned everywhere now”, so I am speculating as to when you hope the ban everywhere will be implemented? 2050 seemed a mild suggestion but if that’s too soon for you, what is your target date?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't have a target date - I simply support things that move us in that general direction.
When's your target date for ending world poverty and what's your viable pathway?
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I didn’t say “genuinely rural”. In fact I’ll define it as anyone living outside the top twenty UK cities by population, which is something approaching 60 million people.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I posted the full details at the start of my poverty propaganda thread.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
I grew up part of my life in rural North Beds, and although public transport wasnt great 30 years ago, its been devastated in the last 10. Council have been building/extending plenty of roads in that time no doubt financed through PFI, and supporting more out of town developments. Whilst restoring the Oxford to Cambridge rail link still rolls on, so everybody continues to drive.
I used to do regular site visits for a few years with one company, it was a bloody nightmare not being able to drive and used to do it through trains/bus/taxi best I could.
Now I live in semi-rural East Yorks which fairs better, especially with local east coast bus/train routes for tourism, even so, I still recognise the need to break out of car ownership, and its about will/ideology/priority of those in power - it can be achieved.
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