liquidindian
Hello
...exploded, is that too many? I guess it's just a minority, it's fine.
Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
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Why’s there a central reservation on motorways if everyone’s such a good driver. Reckon we should get rid of air bags & seat belts as well.
The funniest thing about this particular discussion is that ultimately it’s a completely meaningless and irrelevant argument about semantics and mathematics. And crucially, one which outcome is not a matter of opinion but a pretty solid fact.
A very small percentage of a given group can’t possibly be presented as constituting ‘most’ members if such group. If one in several thousand people who drink tea has sugar with it and the other 4,999 do not, you’d have to be fucking bonkers to suggest most people like sugar with their tea. But apparently that does not apply to the awful/ not awful driver conundrum.
Fuck me, this is borderline therapy stuff…
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I am 100% confident that if I had cameras on my bikes I could have footage that would get drivers points/fines on every single ride I do.
Yep - tons of close passes every day going to work & signalling seen as optional by most drivers.
Also it’s taken for granted that most drivers speed but that’s fine apparently
maomao
普費斯
Are drivers only awful if they are responsible for a fatal crash? That seems an unreasonably high bar. Almost every motorist will be in at least one (and usually several) accident at some point in their lives.
The funniest thing about this particular discussion is that ultimately it’s a completely meaningless and irrelevant argument about semantics and mathematics. And crucially, one which outcome is not a matter of opinion but a pretty solid fact. A very small percentage of a given group can’t possibly be presented as constituting ‘most’ of a percen
liquidindian
Hello
Do it. Make the roads safer.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Is that because you drove away at speed so didn't realise the consequences of your actions?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It’s on my list. But decent cameras aren’t cheap.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Illegal stuff happens all the time. Far more serious offences occur on this thread with great regularity.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The main reason I've not done it yet is a feeling that not much would be done with whatever I send in and report. But is your experience that action is taken?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
A lot depends on which police force is dealing with the report.
maomao
普費斯
You can apparently cause a serious accident and everything's hunky-dory as long as there were not any fatalities.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It's fine if there were fatalities as long as it only happens once in every few thousand journeys. So maybe just every few years. It's only a few dead or seriously injured people per driver lifetime. We need to make reasonable compromises.
liquidindian
Hello
I'm now two for two, so it's hard to say. I've heard that you now won't get an update beyond "action is being taken" as they're a bit overwhelmed with the amount of footage being sent in.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The reality of course is that policing drivers properly would be very expensive. We make do with taking action against a very tiny minority and hoping a deterrent effect makes the rest behave slightly less terribly.
One of the many hidden costs of private motor transport. In this case, a cost that is saved by just not doing it.
One of the many hidden costs of private motor transport. In this case, a cost that is saved by just not doing it.
“Pedal misapplication” leading to leg, arm & skull fractures of adults & children is just one of the reasonable compromises we should put up with to allow parents to use hulking great SUVs to pick their kids up from local schools - otherwise weee just North Korea!
www.mirror.co.uk
Mum makes tearful apology in court after her car hits children during school run
Dolly Rincon-Aguilar was on the school run to pick up her two children from a primary school in south-west London when her car mounted the pavement and hit a group of children and parents
www.mirror.co.uk
maomao
普費斯
Surprising such an insignificant accident was even reported in the press. As no-one died the driver in question is obviously not awful and it's completely reasonable to mount the pavement and drive into a group of children. Anyone complaining must be some kind of woke social justice warrior.“Pedal misapplication” leading to leg, arm & skull fractures of adults & children is just one of the reasonable compromises we should put up with to allow parents to use hulking great SUVs to pick their kids up from local schools - otherwise weee just North Korea!
Mum makes tearful apology in court after her car hits children during school run
Dolly Rincon-Aguilar was on the school run to pick up her two children from a primary school in south-west London when her car mounted the pavement and hit a group of children and parents
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Have you ever read an AAIB report? When drivers make mistakes do you think lessons should be learned or they should simply be punished?
Catchment area of the school is 890m apparently. I’m presuming that’s vertical hence the SUV.
Of course lessons should be learnt like stopping parents driving their kids short distances in hulking great SUVs. Some councils are doing this - Wandsworth under the Tories wasn’t one of those.
maomao
普費斯
Stopping someone who can't reliably tell the difference between an accelerator and a brake from driving shouldn't be seen as a punishment.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I'll take that as a "no" then.
maomao
普費斯
Clearly. I watched a couple of episodes of Air Crash Investigation about ten years ago though if that's any help?
You think people should be free to drive short distances right outside schools in huge SUVs?
Guess we should just move the break and the accelerator slightly apart instead.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
If an air accident investigation found that a serious incident could be caused by an accidental mis-application of a control by a pilot with a normal level of training, then action would be taken to try and make it very unlikely to happen again.
The controls would, perhaps, be redesigned, or pilot training would be altered. Aircraft might be restricted from operating in certain conditions. It's not unusual for the air industry to physically alter the design of planes as a result of accident investigations.
Neither will happen here because it simply is accepted that cars are fundamentally dangerous pieces of machinery and the changes needed to remove that danger would mean that we'd have to make significant changes to how we approach transport. Some of us do in fact want to make those changes, which is part of what this thread is all about.
Don’t think we need to do much investigation tbh - 16,000 accidents a year in the US from ‘pedal misapplication’. If we were to follow the airline industry that would mean banning cars until they were all redesigned and retraining all drivers.
en.wikipedia.org
Sudden unintended acceleration - Wikipedia
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I've long called for police road accident investigation reports to be routinely published, as a first step towards making safety recommendations in response to such incidents.
But no, the reports remain private "to respect the families of the deceased" etc, so we're left with occasional shitty tabloid articles about prosecutions of drivers, which aren't a feature of fatal aircraft accidents.
