er yes of course it is not! and neither is it going to go national socialist but that does not stop you being against national socialism does it???
EnglishWelsh Defence League, British Campaign agin Muslim Extremist, Causuals United
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cheers for that Jim .. worth listenning to but STILL wtf is going on .. they are clearly alleging it is a secret state play
rough copy of broadcast
" .. something we've been quite wrongly linked with .. potentially a very dangerous development .. almost certainly not a white english thing .. luton is a tinderbox .. on one side growing very aggressive muslim population .. on the other everyone else .. playing a very dangerous game on the far left here .. perceive young muslims as radicals .. seem oblivious to the fact that muslims will use them .. for their islamic revolution ... reminds me of situation in bradford .. we've impressed on our people not to get involved these protests as will spark a major disturbance and .. very suspicious whilst i've got sympathies .. it's suspicious .. i don't understand why .. NG lthe eft want huge conflagration with young muslims and the police etc ... from anti muslim side .. sure a lot of it is genuine pent up frustration .. sure lot of people are genuine if misguided but do wonder if there is an element of the security services using this as a honey trap ... if they wanted to stop this they could stop all this dead in their tracks .. very interesting stuff .. we are well positioned as a party to take .. of muslim disorder .. people at the top use uaf and left as a militia!!
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) .. looks similar to zimbabwe .. trouble could benefit us but state thinks it could hurt us .. a misreading .. millions of people have not voted for us who will .. we do not have anything to do with this demonstration .. cameron is part of uaf .. to reiterate we are not involved no one should be involved there is a political route .. if the govt allows confrontation shows they are involved ... clear footage of placards we are not the BNP .. they are not and they never will be "
so any clearer! lol i'm not!
rough copy of broadcast
" .. something we've been quite wrongly linked with .. potentially a very dangerous development .. almost certainly not a white english thing .. luton is a tinderbox .. on one side growing very aggressive muslim population .. on the other everyone else .. playing a very dangerous game on the far left here .. perceive young muslims as radicals .. seem oblivious to the fact that muslims will use them .. for their islamic revolution ... reminds me of situation in bradford .. we've impressed on our people not to get involved these protests as will spark a major disturbance and .. very suspicious whilst i've got sympathies .. it's suspicious .. i don't understand why .. NG lthe eft want huge conflagration with young muslims and the police etc ... from anti muslim side .. sure a lot of it is genuine pent up frustration .. sure lot of people are genuine if misguided but do wonder if there is an element of the security services using this as a honey trap ... if they wanted to stop this they could stop all this dead in their tracks .. very interesting stuff .. we are well positioned as a party to take .. of muslim disorder .. people at the top use uaf and left as a militia!!
D) .. looks similar to zimbabwe .. trouble could benefit us but state thinks it could hurt us .. a misreading .. millions of people have not voted for us who will .. we do not have anything to do with this demonstration .. cameron is part of uaf .. to reiterate we are not involved no one should be involved there is a political route .. if the govt allows confrontation shows they are involved ... clear footage of placards we are not the BNP .. they are not and they never will be " so any clearer! lol i'm not!
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
True, its really starting to piss me off all these legally sactioned stonings, amputations and beheadings in the dhimmified United Kingdom. When will I ever be able to shave this damn beard off?
edit to add - happy 1000th posting to me! I never thought I'd live to see the day (wipes tear).
True, its really starting to piss me off all these legally sactioned stonings, amputations and beheadings in the dhimmified United Kingdom. When will I ever be able to shave this damn beard off?
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yes that is one of the questions they never answer! how does it affect them??? if does not BUT they then go on to say WHEN the islamists get a majority THEN they will crack down
Joe Reilly
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Nothing patronising about it. Quite simply they are unlikely to have known about it unless the SWP saw an advantage for themselves in them doing so. Afterall the casuals were few in number and hadn't even called a demonstration. No one would have known unless the SWP started beating the media drum. A complete non-event. Just like the NF 'march' in Bradford where just 5 fronters turned up and the local Asians nearly burned down the town.
Of course when it came to the conspiracy charges the SWP were no where to be seen.
From reports it dosen't seem that the SWP were involved in the actual fighting yesterday either with the Mirror stating that the 'UAF is largely Asian youths'.
It dosen't take much working out does it.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Where is sharia law being imposed exactly? Have we missed something here?
As for their press release so wht? In Luton they attacked a kebab shop, whatw as that about? Singing that they 'hated Muslims'. Yup, guaranteed to get Muslims on their demo that.....
In Whitechapel they made it perfectly clear they didn't feel like they were in England anymore. What was all that about? The implication ie colour and immigration is pretty clear. This isn't a case of poor little misunderstood nice boys. It's not a case of goodies v baddies.
Fedayn
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I agree, however the bit in bold stretches credibility. A 'demo' like that, in Birmingham, which they did have contrary to what you claim, would have attracted a certain level of attention. However that the UAF stirred it up for their own ends aswell is also not in dispute.
CU statement
"Some 2000 muslems and left wing police haters were on the streets, and spent the day attacking lone whites, and small groups, most of whom were nothing to do with our protest. Our main group were NOT attacked, nor involved in any violence as they were surrounded by police, but the police turned a lot of our supporters back on the trains, or sent them away, preventing a lot from reaching the protest, and standing by while some were attacked. This just serves to demonstrate how bad this country has got, when Islamic and left wing mobs are allowed to run around attacking people, while any attempt to protest against the state of affairs this country is in by normal people is met with police harrassment and arrests.
Innocent people with their kids leaving football matches were also attacked by Muslems, which is a disgrace. Will these thugs faces be plastered all over the papers asking for info like they do with football hooligans? Dont hold your breath. All in all it was a success, and if everyone had been able to get there we would have had around 500. Next time will be bigger now, thanks to the photos of the disgusting attacks on British people trying to speak up against extremists and their supporters.
The next one will not be arranged via Faceache, we will arrange it via the Inner Circles secret forums, so we will arrive unnanounced and neither the police or the scum will know any details.
See the Inner Circle forum for details."
"Some 2000 muslems and left wing police haters were on the streets, and spent the day attacking lone whites, and small groups, most of whom were nothing to do with our protest. Our main group were NOT attacked, nor involved in any violence as they were surrounded by police, but the police turned a lot of our supporters back on the trains, or sent them away, preventing a lot from reaching the protest, and standing by while some were attacked. This just serves to demonstrate how bad this country has got, when Islamic and left wing mobs are allowed to run around attacking people, while any attempt to protest against the state of affairs this country is in by normal people is met with police harrassment and arrests.
Innocent people with their kids leaving football matches were also attacked by Muslems, which is a disgrace. Will these thugs faces be plastered all over the papers asking for info like they do with football hooligans? Dont hold your breath. All in all it was a success, and if everyone had been able to get there we would have had around 500. Next time will be bigger now, thanks to the photos of the disgusting attacks on British people trying to speak up against extremists and their supporters.
The next one will not be arranged via Faceache, we will arrange it via the Inner Circles secret forums, so we will arrive unnanounced and neither the police or the scum will know any details.
See the Inner Circle forum for details."
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Asian lads don't use Facebook, that's what you're saying? Don't be daft.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Aye, nothing inflammatory, bigotted, racist, stereotyping or even close in that rant eh?!
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
That looks like complete farce. It's just a bunch of kids running around.
I am not sure what to think on this.
I dont think this was like Bradford, where the appalling UAF behaviour on the day got people jailed. Bradford was about a handful of NF'ers at most- some of whom were there to demonstrate, not fight. This lot seemed quite different. There were 20 plus involved in the casuals group,and if unopposed, may have grown among those hanging around to see what was going on and to see which way the wind was blowing
Without UAF mobilising there would at least have been this mob swaggering through town as if they owned the place. The UAF motives, namely recruitment and building for Codnor were transparent, but without them, I doubt the muslims lads woud have turned out in the numbers they did
I think this was a lose-lose situation for antifascism. Turn up and what happened happened. Dont turn up and get some random muslims beaten to pulp
There is a case for not rising to every provocation by some internet-only sadcases, or even the BNP, but on the face of it, this seemed different.
I dont think this was like Bradford, where the appalling UAF behaviour on the day got people jailed. Bradford was about a handful of NF'ers at most- some of whom were there to demonstrate, not fight. This lot seemed quite different. There were 20 plus involved in the casuals group,and if unopposed, may have grown among those hanging around to see what was going on and to see which way the wind was blowing
Without UAF mobilising there would at least have been this mob swaggering through town as if they owned the place. The UAF motives, namely recruitment and building for Codnor were transparent, but without them, I doubt the muslims lads woud have turned out in the numbers they did
I think this was a lose-lose situation for antifascism. Turn up and what happened happened. Dont turn up and get some random muslims beaten to pulp
There is a case for not rising to every provocation by some internet-only sadcases, or even the BNP, but on the face of it, this seemed different.
barthsnotesonreligion has been doing a bit of work on this
http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/
and note lol on the CU website that there is a picture of Chris Renton ( seen talking gibberish on a youtube video elsewhere) of the BNP under a anti BNP placard hmm
http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/
and note lol on the CU website that there is a picture of Chris Renton ( seen talking gibberish on a youtube video elsewhere) of the BNP under a anti BNP placard hmm
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
And, at the 'crucial moment' UAF nowhere in sight.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
barthsnotesonreligion has been doing a bit of work on this
http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/
and note lol on the CU website that there is a picture of Chris Renton ( seen talking gibberish on a youtube video elsewhere) of the BNP under a anti BNP placard hmm
Barthes also exposes the rather frail claim that EDL isn't anti-Muslim, Rays comments clearly are.
Aye, nothing inflammatory, bigotted, racist, stereotyping or even close in that rant eh?!
whats your point fed?? i sense a dig!!
look i and others made the effort to go up there, monitor this whole thing, put ourselves right next to the edl for at least an hour, then spent several hours clocking the various ramapages around New Street, were with 'anti-bnp' 'mob' for a long time, though couldn't keep up with the casuals (they were too young!) so please give us some respect .. we are trying to understand this thing and clearly it is important to do so .. and i am NOT the only one who does not yet understand it though i suspect i know a lot more about it than most on here including i suspect yourself
p.s. there is lots of other wierd shit behind the scenes and i am more and more thinking this is as griffin says a honey trap for both english and muslim fundies
The chances of UAF stewarding and directing the crowd, even if the wanted to, are very little. They dont have the organisation or interpersonal skills required
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
whats your point fed?? i sense a dig!!
look i and others made the effort to go up there, monitor this whole thing, put ourselves right next to the edl for at least an hour, then spent several hours clocking the various ramapages around New Street, were with 'anti-bnp' 'mob' for a long time, though couldn't keep up with the casuals (they were too young!) so please give us some respect .. we are trying to understand this thing and clearly it is important to do so .. and i am NOT the only one who does not yet understand it though i suspect i know a lot more about it than most on here including i suspect yourself
p.s. there is lots of other wierd shit behind the scenes and i am more and more thinking this is as griffin says a honey trap for both english and muslim fundies
You seem to think these people are poor little misunderstood chaps with a progressive agenda. Rarely are you it sems capable of doing anything but sit on the fence. Why is that?
There's a difference between understanding and refusing to criticise.....
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
paul ray is no longer edl .. keep up
They're still more than involved, made clear on his blog and on football websites by a Luton Town lad. They have had NO grief on the demos and their ideas have not been criticised on those demos.
fed look of course this is anti muslim! you think anyone is arguing it is not???? the issue is as always how to deal with it .. the idiots on here like spion favour ( from their armchairs) a full frontal assault using the foot soldiers of muslim youth .. who wil get nicked and banged up .. and will provide a massive propaganda victory for the far right and state .. you have common sense i know .. so you will see this is too complex for such an approach .. the position of EDL/CU is one that i suspect the majority of people in this country support .. against bombers and burqhas??? i would say 90% of non muslims ( and 50% at least of muslims) would support that
so we need to be canny .. and we do need to work out if it is a BNP front, possible, an EDP front more likely, simply a single issue coalition of angry and ex army and casuals, very likely, or a state play, possible
until we understand this making cheap statements doesn't help
what i would urge people to do is of they are not already on, is to get on as many facebooks, websites and forums to check all the chat, and feed it back responsibly.
so we need to be canny .. and we do need to work out if it is a BNP front, possible, an EDP front more likely, simply a single issue coalition of angry and ex army and casuals, very likely, or a state play, possible
until we understand this making cheap statements doesn't help
what i would urge people to do is of they are not already on, is to get on as many facebooks, websites and forums to check all the chat, and feed it back responsibly.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
So why put up their bollocks pressers where they claim to not be anti-muslim, claim to be willing to march alongside muslims. I suggest you read elsewhere, where the talk is of 'paki this' paki that'. The attack on the kebab shop in Luton, the chanting of we hate Muslims. This is not too complex as to need to ponder over it for months.
The majority of people possibly support the return opf the death penalty, does that mean we take a nice soft a[pproach to pro hanging parties and groups. You're so desperate to distance yourself from the UAF/SWP that you're unable to be, rightly imho, criticial of the useful idiots of this groups of reactionary idiots and the cretinous behaviour of the UAF/SWP typed.
Both those who defend these cunts and those like Spion who happily spunk away at theior keyboard whilst real life gets played out are a joke. The beneficiaries are neither of the two but the BNP and the BNP know this full well.
Fedayn
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
what do you actually recommend? you've been utterly silent on that. you merrily repeat all their press releseases uncritically, and are happy to go along with their claims about being nothing to do with the BNP, but as for actual proposals....
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