I won't answer that.
Anyhow the Harrow one is on and some Nigerian Christian group is supporting it. Its seems like it is gonna be an ultra-christian do by the sounds of it.
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I won't answer that.
Anyhow the Harrow one is on and some Nigerian Christian group is supporting it. Its seems like it is gonna be an ultra-christian do by the sounds of it.
Choudry's mob out in Lewisham on August 1st for their Islamic Road Show. They should be no platformed.
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Choudry's mob out in Lewisham on August 1st for their Islamic Road Show. They should be no platformed.
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Be cool. 
Thirties blackshirts and fascist marches.
A wave of attacks on synagogue's in the 40's
Serious threats of the lynching of black people in Notting Hill in the 50's.
A wave of attacks on Asians and the left in the 70's.
The left is not as yet facing, as it did in the 70's, a British Movement, a group Searchlight estimated had 3,000 members at it's height, made up of mainly young white males, many recruited from the football terraces, led by a milkman. With many amongst it's ranks holding duel membership with the main fascist grouping of the time, the NF.
I suspect this EWDL/CU is a tempting vehicle by some for a new British Movement, whose targets this time will be any 'Muslim' and their 'left supporters'?
If so, I'm with those thinking time to nip this in the bud.
As for the BNP? They'll hope to make some gains from this and perhaps they will? It also may turn out to be a poisoned chalice?
Thirties blackshirts and fascist marches.
A wave of attacks on synagogue's in the 40's
Serious threats of the lynching of black people in Notting Hill in the 50's.
A wave of attacks on Asians and the left in the 70's.
The left is not as yet facing, as it did in the 70's, a British Movement, a group Searchlight estimated had 3,000 members at it's height, made up of mainly young white males, many recruited from the football terraces, led by a milkman. With many amongst it's ranks holding duel membership with the main fascist grouping of the time, the NF.
I suspect this EWDL/CU is a tempting vehicle by some for a new British Movement, whose targets this time will be any 'Muslim' and their 'left supporters'?
If so, I'm with those thinking time to nip this in the bud.
As for the BNP? They'll hope to make some gains from this and perhaps they will? It also may turn out to be a poisoned chalice?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Be cool.
Thirties blackshirts and fascist marches.
A wave of attacks on synagogue's in the 40's
Serious threats of the lynching of black people in Notting Hill in the 50's.
A wave of attacks on Asians and the left in the 70's.
The left is not as yet facing, as it did in the 70's, a British Movement, a group Searchlight estimated had 3,000 members at it's height, made up of mainly young white males, many recruited from the football terraces, led by a milkman. With many amongst it's ranks holding duel membership with the main fascist grouping of the time, the NF.
I suspect this EWDL/CU is a tempting vehicle by some for a new British Movement, whose targets this time will be any 'Muslim' and their 'left supporters'?
If so, I'm with those thinking time to nip this in the bud.
As for the BNP? They'll hope to make some gains from this and perhaps they will? It also may turn out to be a poisoned chalice?
are you fucking serious MC5? The BM were a fully fledged neo nazi organisation who thought the NF a Tory front. The EDL may be nationalists, they may be confused, they may be tilting at windmills, they may be manipulated by elements sympathetic to the BNP but they aren't nazis and they certaintly aren't a BM mark 2.
Does The Left care that there is a difference between EDL/Casuals United, BNP, NF, C18, aryan martyrs brigade(!), BFF, WNP, BPP?? Seems like they are all "Nazis", do people think that this backfires? I mean the BNP are supposedly Nazi's but they got almost 1 million votes?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
It should do , despite contrary to some of the tosh uttered on here there has always been football hoolies, football firms, football supporters that have all sort of views but drew a line with neo nazis and their like.
The trouble is is that UAF are just a one trick pony , nothing was learnt from Oldham etc. Its a pantomine horse version of anti fascism and quite simply about time anti fascists stopped looking for nazis and started looking for political alternatives for the working class.
the uaf's response to saturdays events is absolutely fearless in its arrogance.
"The UAF counter demonstration acted as an important focal point for the anger that many people in Birmingham, especially those from the Muslim community, rightly felt about the fact that a gang of thugs was being allowed to hold a racist march in the city centre. Our rally was noisy but peaceful. The trouble that arose took place after it had ended and was sparked by a group of racists who broke off from the EDL demonstration and marched towards the anti-fascist rally to goad protesters.
The blame for the violent scenes that ensued lies wholly with the racist football hooligans that came to Birmingham to intimidate and attack the Muslim community. The police should have heeded the many warnings from the local community that this group was intent on anti-Muslim provocation, instead of naively accepting EDL claims that they were "not racist" at face value".
http://www.uaf.org.uk/news.asp?choice=90808
"The UAF counter demonstration acted as an important focal point for the anger that many people in Birmingham, especially those from the Muslim community, rightly felt about the fact that a gang of thugs was being allowed to hold a racist march in the city centre. Our rally was noisy but peaceful. The trouble that arose took place after it had ended and was sparked by a group of racists who broke off from the EDL demonstration and marched towards the anti-fascist rally to goad protesters.
The blame for the violent scenes that ensued lies wholly with the racist football hooligans that came to Birmingham to intimidate and attack the Muslim community. The police should have heeded the many warnings from the local community that this group was intent on anti-Muslim provocation, instead of naively accepting EDL claims that they were "not racist" at face value".
http://www.uaf.org.uk/news.asp?choice=90808
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
Was any literature passed out? Did anyone aside from the far-right criticise political islam?
Arrogant, but true in it`s facts. If UAF had not mobilised the youth, the it would have been the result? As it was clear that, a few mistakes aside like the attack on the Trades council folk, only nazis were targetted by the youth. It wasnt as if innocent bystanders had got attacked or something as all of the reports indicate otherwise- this was multiracial groups against nazi youth
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
From what has been reported it is very dodgy to assume that casuals/EDL are "Nazis" - they seem like a gang of young scrotes without much of an ideology beyond stirring it. Perhaps a few hardcore nazi-sympathising odd-balls are trying to manipulate them, but I've seen no evidence whatsoever. that this is some serious far right mobilisation.
Bennett is trying to talk up a "street-fighting" variant of anti-fascism to distract from their poverty of ideas in dealing with the real threat politically.
Bennett is trying to talk up a "street-fighting" variant of anti-fascism to distract from their poverty of ideas in dealing with the real threat politically.
butchersapron
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UAF statement might as well be titled Full steam ahead into the trap.
And odd mixture of puffed up posturing side by side with appeals to the police to come and sort it out please as we can't - see the concluding paragraph esp
And odd mixture of puffed up posturing side by side with appeals to the police to come and sort it out please as we can't - see the concluding paragraph esp
completely untrue mate, in its facts.
Ironically EDL in its statement admitting it fucked up, recognising its mistakes, almost apologetic in its failure to get over the fact they're not a racist group (ie they took in what actually happened on the day) and the uaf posturing and chestbeating not even aware, never mind concerned, they just helped accelerate what could've been a managable if predicatble social conflict into a polarising and hardening of racial tensions in an area just waiting to explode.
The bnp weren't ever part of the equation on saturday (but we can predict they will benefit massively), it's almost as if the uaf had to invent the threat of the bnp's presense to justify it's own tawdry political stance. Certainly if you take away the bnp's presense in this what you have is essentially the uaf defending islamic fundamentalism.
They can notch this up as a massive propaganda victory within the comforting walls of Marxism 2010 perhaps, but it still leaves an ugly and unresolved residual mess that won't dissappear once the placards have been neatily folded away.
maybe read uaf's statement while watching the youtube footage of the young lad in green getting a kicking. A few mistakes aside indeed.
I think it is agreed that the man in green was one of the fascists and not an innocent bystander. The only report of innocents being targetted is the Trades Council people?
Spion
I hear ya
Oh what twaddle.
The EDL/CU are an organised attempt to demonise British muslims/Asians, which was clear from their 'Muslim bombers off our streets' chants. It's the organised manifestation of the kind of twats who shout 'bomber' at Asians in the street (which has been a pretty common thing you hear and hear about where I live).
The issues are clear to me, but yeah, but real life's messy - especially when the victims of racist name-calling decide to fight back, and I'm surprised so many are shitting their pants over this.
Its self evident that they are at very least Islamophobic, and therefore very probably racist as well
this is entirely possible.
But the uaf introduced, in fact shoehorned in, political issues that were never part of of the dynamic. Without the uaf it would've been at best local asian lads fronting up a politicised football firm, a local issue where EDl would've recognised they don't have the same purchase as in luton.
What has been gifted to Griffin now is the platform of almost universal credibility on all sides:
1. look at the violent left-wing thugs
2. look at the violent racist thugs (nothing to do with us, even their banners say so)
3. look at the violent muslim thugs attacking ordinary indigenous folk
WE TOLD YOU SO!
They have also galvinised genuine nazis and facsists into coming to the defence and support of the edl.
Spion
I hear ya
So, nothing different to what Griffin says anytime anything like this happens? I really don't care. It's not like the national media is full reports showing a blubbing Griffin bemoaning these injustices. You have to go looking for it, so why you reproduce it here as if it's the most important aspect of all this is beyond me.
And the bottom line stands - organise demos to chant racist shit in a city centre like Brum and it won't be pain-free
And the bottom line stands - organise demos to chant racist shit in a city centre like Brum and it won't be pain-free
A trap maybe, but what was the alternative to what UAF did which would also have upheld the principle of No Platform?. To try to physically stop the fascist demo was the only option on the table
I think you are over-estimating any bad publicity over this- none of the papers particualrly condemn the muslim community for defending itself
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
how many genuine fascists were on it, as opposed to a few ignorant young scrotes with bugger all better to do?
Spion
I hear ya
So you're saying that anyone that sees an image of a white kid being kicked by an Asian kid is racist because they will automatically assume the white kid couldn't possibly deserve it?
no no no! The kid in the green was robbed by a group, people then steamed in because everyone was hyped up. The poor lad was beaten to a pulp. as was reported by those that were there, this happened a few other times but people (other asian youth) intervened to stop it.
There were only a few known neo-nazis around, the rest were 40 year-old football casuals wanting to have a go at "asians".
belboid
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aah, I see, ta
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