littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. 100% now with two third places on 3.Looks like it is virtually cast-iron now that England qualify for the knockout stages.
Yep. 100% now with two third places on 3.Looks like it is virtually cast-iron now that England qualify for the knockout stages.
Wales have 4 points and are through.Qualified with a game to spare! Teams who failed to do that:
- Spain
- Portugal
- Germany
France- Scotland
- Wales
E2A: ok, apparently this also guaranteed France going through, so can take them off the list.
They weren't with a game to spare, thoughWales have 4 points and are through.
Pedant point: they were, the world just hadn't realised at that point.They weren't with a game to spare, though
Actually, no, scratch that. If they'd lost 6-0 to Italy or similar, they'd have been out.Pedant point: they were, the world just hadn't realised at that point.
Pedant point: at the time they started playing their last game, they had not qualified.Pedant point: they were, the world just hadn't realised at that point.
Yeah, exactly, that's also what I was talking aboutActually, no, scratch that. If they'd lost 6-0 to Italy or similar, they'd have been out.
Actually, no, I retract my retraction, they did have 4 points before the last match and couldn't finish lower than 3rd. So, 365 is kind of right.Actually, no, scratch that. If they'd lost 6-0 to Italy or similar, they'd have been out.
Not if there's a few quid in it.We can get into a deterministic theory of time and the universe if y'like, but I feel like we'd still be hard pushed to get UEFA on board.
Neither had England tbf.Pedant point: at the time they started playing their last game, they had not qualified.
As in, 'Wales had qualified with a game to spare'!Qualified with a game to spare!
My star witness.Neither had England tbf.
Wales qualified before England. FACT!
Not what we're discussing.Neither had England tbf.
Wales qualified before England. FACT!
Naw they hadnaeAs in, 'Wales had qualified with a game to spare'!
In terms of both the position after 2 games in their group and what could subsequently happen in their group, Wales were guaranteed to come at least 3rd with 4 points. They didn't know after 2 games that that would be enough, but their knowledge isn't the issue. Their actions in that group, regardless of all outcomes in the 3rd game, had done enough for them to qualify at that point.Not what we're discussing.
Wales needed 3 games to qualify, England only needed 2
Naw they hadnae
We can get into a deterministic theory of time and the universe if y'like, but I feel like we'd still be hard pushed to get UEFA on board.
Spain, Sweden, Slovakia or Poland. I'm pretty sure that other than Sweden finishing bottom it's possible for any team to finish any position in that group.So who do England play if they finish second?
Sounds like an exciting game awaits[So, if I've got this right, it's in the Czech Republic's interest to lose and England's to draw (or lose if Scotland don't win).
Which is why, I think, most of us are pretty confident England won't win this tournament.Can't win a tournament without beating good teams. I bet Gareth isn't talking like this.
Maybe not, but maybe they will. You lot are talking about deliberately losing matches in order to face "lesser" teams. I'm talking about trying to win every game, and getting showpieces against Germany, France or whoever else. Games we can remember, even if we lose, and certainly if we win. Games that will go down in history "do you remember where you were when we beat France in the Euros? Remember that Sancho hattrick?"Which is why, I think, most of us are pretty confident England won't win this tournament.
Oi, who's this "you lot"? I've said nothing of the sort!Maybe not, but maybe they will. You lot are talking about deliberately losing matches in order to face "lesser" teams. I'm talking about trying to win every game, and getting showpieces against Germany, France or whoever else. Games we can remember, even if we lose, and certainly if we win. Games that will go down in history "do you remember where you were when we beat France in the Euros? Remember that Sancho hattrick?"
And do I even need to remind you that we went out to fucking Iceland last time?
oh yeah, got carried away.Oi, who's this "you lot"? I've said nothing of the sort!
I think...
I agree and I wouldn't in his place. I'm not actively suggesting they play to lose as such. Nevertheless, if they are drawing 75 minutes in, I wouldn't bust a gut to go for a winner. Ultimately though, a shit format. There aren't really any good formats if you have 24 teams, but the problem was the money grabbing bastards expanding it to 24 in the first place.Can't win a tournament without beating good teams. I bet Gareth isn't talking like this.
Nah, go the whole hog, bring deckchairs on the field.From a personal point of view, Tuesday is far better for me so I think we should go out looking to win. From a football point of view, we should try and win every game but also take into account that we are through and there is no need to risk the likes of Henderson or Maguire on a game we don't have to win. Similarly, anyone getting a slight knock shouldn't play the 90 mins.
Klinsmann very helpfully said "6 out of 7 of your games at Wembley? C'mon, this is your European Championship!".Winning the group also keeps us at Wembley. I say we go for it. Germany aint all that!