Not pre-announced as far as I'm aware.
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Not pre-announced as far as I'm aware.
Ole
Well-Known Member
If they can mobilise in support of Rojava demos is it beyond their wit to do so in demos against jihadists? A Facebook group of football fans just did it and turned out strongly.
Ole
Well-Known Member
Without you, yeah?
That obviously makes it difficult to counter. Intelligence gathering in those circles is going to
present difficulties for your average lefty as well. That's just the practicalities.
Most people are creatures of habit. They slip into routines. They don't mysteriously appear randomly. It isn't intel intensive.
Ole
Well-Known Member
What the fuck does that mean
This was about the suggestion of 'antifa' mobilising against jihadists/Islamists (and your counter-suggestion that it would be impossible to do, short of going to Syria and picking up a rifle).
You seem to have relented that it is not impossible, but you're not willing to say whether you or your antifa pals are willing to demonstrate? That was the whole point of the argument mate.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. Which locations & when?
What the fuck does that mean
This was about the suggestion of 'antifa' mobilising against jihadists/Islamists (and your counter-suggestion that it would be impossible to do, short of going to Syria and picking up a rifle).
You seem to have relented that it is not impossible, but you're not willing to say whether you or your antifa pals are willing to demonstrate? That was the whole point of the argument mate.
What about you and your 'antifa' pals? What do you think?
Please organise it.
What makes you think I haven't?
You want to share intel? You haven't previously.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Don't think you've ever asked
Ole
Well-Known Member
Your 4th dodge of the question is noted.
I'm not antifa, and I don't think they are willing to demonstrate against Islamism, which is why they've never done it, and why you keep dodging the question.
Maybe I'll turn out at the next FLA demo.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think its about confronting the Islamacist mileu as well as the would be jihaddists.Heres a few ideas to start the discusion with, other posters will probably have better ideas.
I think the starting point would be to acknowledge the fact that more working class people are worried about Islamic terrorism than they are about nazis issue and a notice of intent that anti fascism is about confronting all forms of fascism.
1) being at the forefront of opposing any Islamic Society at University that promotes or supports jihaadism or uses quotes from speakers that do ie Durham University last month,
2) gather intelligence about where Islamacists give out leaflets or have stalls , confront and expose them
3) expose and challange the Islamacists on social media like Twitter and Facebook
4)start a dialogue with those who maybe patriotic but are not fascist setting out what your position is regarding the Islamaicsts and the jihaadists. Get a foot in the door with the thousands like that black bloke who out argued the woman in Manchester on YouTube.
5) start a dialogue with those activists who are muslim about raising the profile of opposition, support those who oppose the Islamacists
6) dont be scared to call out the backwardness of conservative Islam and proudly defend values of equality, fraternity and working class unity
Sounds like a plan.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Its more of starting point for a discussion tbh
Ole
Well-Known Member
You fucking dick
'Antifa' don't have a monopoly on opposition to fascism and 'antifa' should demonstrate against jihadists because they're scumbags and a mortal threat to lives and democracy.
Semantics. 'Antifa' doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. Nowadays it seems to be synonymous with black bloc demo chic.
That was in response to red sky
That was in response to red sky
I can't stand the word myself. It doesn't really mean anything in English. Not really useful for explaining what you're about or getting support.
You fucking dick
'Antifa' don't have a monopoly on opposition to fascism and 'antifa' should demonstrate against jihadists because they're scumbags and a mortal threat to lives and democracy.
By that standard everyone should be demonstrating against them surely?
I'm not sure you've really got a point. Are you trying to suggest there's something hypocritical about opposing, say the National Front, without devoting an equal amount of energy, using similar tactics to opposing jihadists?
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
I'm referring to histrionics by break off sects developing after Bluestar, how these reactionary groups gained power & influence after the fall of Berlin Wall(See copies of Congressional Report: Council Of Kh@l1stan) !
Banda Bahadur Singh is not seen by mainstream Sikhs as a Guru !
The last 10th Guru is Gobind Singh, after that the Sikh Holy Book Guru Granth Sahib metaphysically becomes in some weird and wonderful way the final Guru !
As far as the Mughals, colonialism and Sikh mythology & histrionics go some Mughal rulers; specifically Akbar are seen in a positive light; encouraging religious freedom, opposing caste system, inter religious relationships and in a slight racial slur against Hindu high caste & merchants; tall, athletic and light skinned !
Akbar - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.
Re-vitalising & promoting Banda Bahudar & dressing up in costume of Religious Sects by people who renounce traditional Sikh texts & regard him as Guru may(more likely does) have definite Islamophobic connotations !
Taking in consideration this in relation with Indian/Southern Asian politics to Shiromani Akali Dal and its closeness to Modi & Bharatiya Janata Party may also be contentious !
Modi vs Rahul battle plays out loud ahead of Punjab polls
Generally by the very nature of imperialism 'defeat & humiliation' are part of the process, along with divide and rule; British Imperialism most classic example is after Indian Uprising/Mutiny 1857 !
https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-British-implement-Divide-and-Rule-policy-in-India
There are certain contradictions & exceptions in my opinion !
E.G. Liberation Of Tibetan Region by Chinese PLA !
(Broadly agree with CPB's position on this)
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Ole
Well-Known Member
You are one boring motherfucker.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
The thing is, the NF probably has about 39 members. BNP now about 539, most of them inactive. And as 39th Step says above, it's obvious that most working class people are far more concerned, for very good and obvious reason, about jihadis than about the mostly inarticulate and ineffectual blowhards of Britain's far-right.
The concerns are obvious in that to oppose the main fascistic threat-that of the Islamists-invites liberal accusations of racism, but there's no argument about where the main fascistic threat comes from at the moment.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Me, you and 39th steps have prob been talking about this for twenty years now - maybe at the start point of that debate there was something the organised left or specifically anti-fascist groups could do. Some longer term intervention. Now there isn't as far as i can see. Just filmed set pieces. Which means, the class rather than the left has to do this.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Yes-and the class, if only it could be realised, already has a head start.
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