The39thStep
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Loads and loads of police in Gracechurch Street earlier, assume it's because there's an EDL march on later. (Well according to the Standard anyway.)
Need to head into town in a bit -- I'm near London Bridge at the moment -- and apparently there's some counter-demo heading this way. May need to do a detour to avoid it all.
Need to head into town in a bit -- I'm near London Bridge at the moment -- and apparently there's some counter-demo heading this way. May need to do a detour to avoid it all.
FridgeMagnet
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Two marches apparently. One near St Paul's / London Bridge, which seems to be much larger than the tiny EDL one at Charing Cross - literally 40 of them tops. Not sure who the first one was; I've seen banners saying "Football Lads Alliance"? (Just on Twitter, I'm nowhere near them myself.)
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Nothing on BBC, Guardian or Standard, so looks like it's being ignored. Looks like a large march and peaceful, 8000 or so football fans from loads of clubs. The demand is that the government act against the jihadists they have on their dangerous list.
From the videos it doesn't look as intimidating as the EDL stuff, at least not to me.
Interview with organizer where he says they didn't want it to be about England.
It can only be viewed in youtube apparently, just click on the link on the grey screen.
From the videos it doesn't look as intimidating as the EDL stuff, at least not to me.
Interview with organizer where he says they didn't want it to be about England.
It can only be viewed in youtube apparently, just click on the link on the grey screen.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Lets face it if the left, TUC or anyone else called a demo against terrorism many posters on here, including me would be backing it .Football supporters are no different from most voters. There is a genuine problem for antifa types in how they intervene in what is a changing landscape.They are seen as single issue activists who don't address the wider fears many people have and have no connection with the mood on the ground within the w/class .Simply identifying fascists and right wingers who may or may not be involved just doesn't cut it . People are more worried about Islamic terrorism than the neo nazis or EDL and this needs to be thought through carefully. The fact that the left is generally silent on activity where the Islamic far right are concerned poses some difficulty imo.
Re watching that video of the black bloke and the anti nazi in Manchester raised a lot of questions for me about how this matter could be better approached.
Arbeter Fraynd
Active Member
there's been a lot of accusations on here that Antifa ignore Islamic fascism. You do know that there are Antifa activists actually fighting Isis in Kurdistan, right? Literally involved in the armed struggle against Islamic fascism. And AFN analysis consistently draws connections between the two.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
For whom ( those fighting) I have the utmost respect for. Hence me saying antifa types rather than singling out a particular organisation.
cantsin
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props where it's due, the FLA were hardcore on the 'no violence/no racism' front in the build up ( certainly on the Spurs forum) and they seemed to have pulled it off.
Opposing this march would have been a mistake on all fronts imo , ideologically, and in practical terms ( current antifa vs that load of grizzlers would have been big old mismatch) .
They're all getting enthusiastic about where they go from here, but not sure 'anti extremism' is much of a platform to actually build on, + they're immediately coming face to face with one of the harsh realities of street protest - orderly, non violent protest of a few thousand = zero press coverage, little online buzz, so what kind of political pressure is that putting on anyone / anything ....
Opposing this march would have been a mistake on all fronts imo , ideologically, and in practical terms ( current antifa vs that load of grizzlers would have been big old mismatch) .
They're all getting enthusiastic about where they go from here, but not sure 'anti extremism' is much of a platform to actually build on, + they're immediately coming face to face with one of the harsh realities of street protest - orderly, non violent protest of a few thousand = zero press coverage, little online buzz, so what kind of political pressure is that putting on anyone / anything ....
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Treacle Toes
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What's Tommy up to here:
Ranbay
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
booking a room at his favorite hotel chain, HMP.
Well unless you class the constant shite he pumps out online as not provoking anything
cantsin
Well-Known Member
Realistically this is why it wasn't opposed. I think people are adopting a wait and see approach.
Yes , but his reaction goes well beyond self defence. Apparently he wasn't nicked though.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Out of curiosity whose the Sikh guy they dragged out !
Anyone know anything about him or his background ?
The Blue Costume & Saffron Turban may signify that he is part of a sect and/or splinter from traditional Sikhism: Bandai Sikhs !
After defeat & humiliation by Mughals under leadership of '11th Guru': Banda Bahadur Singh they may have developed a myth system and histrionics that is fundamentally Islamophobic being enhanced by the privileged position given after Indian Uprising/Mutiny, diaspora and divisive horrors of partition !
Been told by friends who've stayed in Sikh areas in Punjab that groups of Sikhs dressed in similar fashion are quite numerous; practising Gatka, Smoking Bhang & jumping public transport !
Could also have connotations & links to Kh@listan, Bhindranwale,Communalists/Right Nationalists in KRP & SAD and their connections & electoral alliances and agreements with BJP !
Are these 'figureheads' representing Sikh community another bunch of Right Wing 'fundamentalists' capitalising on Islamophobia and the fall out of the west's debacle of neo colonial foreign policy ?
Anyone know anything about him or his background ?
The Blue Costume & Saffron Turban may signify that he is part of a sect and/or splinter from traditional Sikhism: Bandai Sikhs !
After defeat & humiliation by Mughals under leadership of '11th Guru': Banda Bahadur Singh they may have developed a myth system and histrionics that is fundamentally Islamophobic being enhanced by the privileged position given after Indian Uprising/Mutiny, diaspora and divisive horrors of partition !
Been told by friends who've stayed in Sikh areas in Punjab that groups of Sikhs dressed in similar fashion are quite numerous; practising Gatka, Smoking Bhang & jumping public transport !
Could also have connotations & links to Kh@listan, Bhindranwale,Communalists/Right Nationalists in KRP & SAD and their connections & electoral alliances and agreements with BJP !
Are these 'figureheads' representing Sikh community another bunch of Right Wing 'fundamentalists' capitalising on Islamophobia and the fall out of the west's debacle of neo colonial foreign policy ?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Wait and see what?
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Apparently the guy's name is Mohan Singh who spoke with T. R. in Manchester !
What it turns into.
Ole
Well-Known Member
Was resistance to Islamic imperialism fundamentally Islamophobic as well?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
It seems surreal that in the UK today the only group protesting for the government to act more firmly on the question of radicalization are a newly formed facebook group of football fans, whilst from all other political groups there appears to be silence on the matter. No one, except a couple of mediatic right wingers, is talking about the estimated 400 or so jihadists who have returned from Syria after joining and being part of the isis death cult, it's as if that didn't matter, like it's ok for them to walk amongst us now as they don't pose a threat.
The official narrative is for us to keep calm and carry on and don't hold any politicians to account, but the reality is the intelligence services have very seriously failed and the recent terrorist attacks could have been stopped, after all they knew who they were and had loads of warnings, yet here we are with murderers in our midst and carrying on like it were a subject best avoided.
what do the fighters who have gone from the UK to fight isis think of that?
The official narrative is for us to keep calm and carry on and don't hold any politicians to account, but the reality is the intelligence services have very seriously failed and the recent terrorist attacks could have been stopped, after all they knew who they were and had loads of warnings, yet here we are with murderers in our midst and carrying on like it were a subject best avoided.
what do the fighters who have gone from the UK to fight isis think of that?
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