EDL watch

[ddraig]

It seems surreal that in the UK today the only group protesting for the government to act more firmly on the question of radicalization are a newly formed facebook group of football fans, whilst from all other political groups there appears to be silence on the matter. No one, except a couple of mediatic right wingers, is talking about the estimated 400 or so jihadists who have returned from Syria after joining and being part of the isis death cult, it's as if that didn't matter, like it's ok for them to walk amongst us now as they don't pose a threat.

The official narrative is for us to keep calm and carry on and don't hold any politicians to account, but the reality is the intelligence services have very seriously failed and the recent terrorist attacks could have been stopped, after all they knew who they were and had loads of warnings, yet here we are with murderers in our midst and carrying on like it were a subject best avoided.

what do the fighters who have gone from the UK to fight isis think of that?

what are YOU doing about any of it?

 

[IC3D]

Somewhat illustrating the point ddraig

 

[ddraig]

Somewhat illustrating the point ddraig

me or annuder oink?
agree that it's good to see the FLA fucking off the fash groups

 

[IC3D]

All of us really ddraig , I don't get why as a whole nothing was done ages ago about salafi twats on the streets.

 

[Pickman's model]

All of us really ddraig , I don't get why as a whole nothing was done ages ago about salafi twats on the streets.

Britain has dishonourable tradition of complicity with extremists

could this have something to do with it?

 

[Pickman's model]

It seems surreal that in the UK today the only group protesting for the government to act more firmly on the question of radicalization are a newly formed facebook group of football fans, whilst from all other political groups there appears to be silence on the matter.

pls tell me this isn't another of those times when you get humiliated

 

[Anudder Oik]

pls tell me this isn't another of those times when you get humiliated

These forums are not about you and your desire to squabble with everyone. You have been told loads of times how tiresome you are. Why don't you just respect the boards and debate the issues and make a political point or something rather than try to turn everything into a personal bun fight?

 

[Pickman's model]

These forums are not about you and your desire to squabble with everyone. You have been told loads of times how tiresome you are. Why don't you just respect the boards and debate the issues and make a political point or something rather than try to turn everything into a personal bun fight?

i'm not. i'm thinking of the hideous embarrassment you had recently when you called us all fascists for disagreeing with tim pool, for example. and here again you're putting yourself out on a limb which also seems likely to end in your blushes.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Well for one only liberals would be demanding the authorities do more, if they weren't keeping quiet on the matter, and there are groups on the left who have positions on it.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Well for one only liberals would be demanding the authorities do more, if they weren't keeping quiet on the matter, and there are groups on the left who have positions on it.

I'm interested to see these positions? Got any links?

 

[ddraig]

I'm interested to see these positions? Got any links?

so you can look up and find positions of those on the right but not those on the left?

 

[ddraig]

All of us really ddraig , I don't get why as a whole nothing was done ages ago about salafi twats on the streets.

In my naive simplistic view if these extremists were marching in towns and cities up and down the country and making loads of noise they'd be opposed more vigorously wouldn't they?
not to say they and their shite shouldn't be/have been confronted/dealt with

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I'm interested to see these positions? Got any links?

www.network23.org/ra

 

[Pickman's model]

Well for one only liberals would be demanding the authorities do more, if they weren't keeping quiet on the matter, and there are groups on the left who have positions on it.

quite so. certainly antifa opposed the islamicist fascists as well as the other ones

 

[Pickman's model]

so you can look up and find positions of those on the right but not those on the left?

there's something sinister about that

 

[ddraig]

What's Tommy up to here:

more video apparently and account of bus driver who drove TR there but refused to let him back on coach
The full tape of Tommy Robinson fight shows bloodied victim barely able to walk

 

[Ole]

It seems surreal that in the UK today the only group protesting for the government to act more firmly on the question of radicalization are a newly formed facebook group of football fans, whilst from all other political groups there appears to be silence on the matter. No one, except a couple of mediatic right wingers, is talking about the estimated 400 or so jihadists who have returned from Syria after joining and being part of the isis death cult, it's as if that didn't matter, like it's ok for them to walk amongst us now as they don't pose a threat.

The official narrative is for us to keep calm and carry on and don't hold any politicians to account, but the reality is the intelligence services have very seriously failed and the recent terrorist attacks could have been stopped, after all they knew who they were and had loads of warnings, yet here we are with murderers in our midst and carrying on like it were a subject best avoided.

what do the fighters who have gone from the UK to fight isis think of that?

It's almost like all these political groups aren't worth the steam off our piss, isn't it?

 

[Corax]

There was a pithy comment on one of the topical comedy shows a week or so ago. It was to the effect that there are 20,000 people on the terrorism watch list, and May's policing cuts totalled... 20,000. So instead of the cuts they could have set up a man-marking system.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The labour party manifesto has some basic comment but it isn't specific enough to really see what they propose, what's more nothing is being said aloud publicly even after Manchester, Westminster and Borough market:

"we will address the government’s failure to take any effective new measures against a growing problem of extreme or violent radicalisation".

For government failure they could perhaps point out the relationship between the manchester bomber and the british government who sponsored his father's militia.

 

[editor]

i'm not. i'm thinking of the hideous embarrassment you had recently when you called us all fascists for disagreeing with tim pool, for example. and here again you're putting yourself out on a limb which also seems likely to end in your blushes.

Please keep cross thread personal beef out of this. Thanks.

 

[Ole]

Out of curiosity whose the Sikh guy they dragged out !
Anyone know anything about him or his background ?

The Blue Costume & Saffron Turban may signify that he is part of a sect and/or splinter from traditional Sikhism: Bandai Sikhs !
After defeat & humiliation by Mughals under leadership of '11th Guru': Banda Bahadur Singh they may have developed a myth system and histrionics that is fundamentally Islamophobic being enhanced by the privileged position given after Indian Uprising/Mutiny, diaspora and divisive horrors of partition !

Been told by friends who've stayed in Sikh areas in Punjab that groups of Sikhs dressed in similar fashion are quite numerous; practising Gatka, Smoking Bhang & jumping public transport !

Could also have connotations & links to Kh@listan, Bhindranwale,Communalists/Right Nationalists in KRP & SAD and their connections & electoral alliances and agreements with BJP !

Are these 'figureheads' representing Sikh community another bunch of Right Wing 'fundamentalists' capitalising on Islamophobia and the fall out of the west's debacle of neo colonial foreign policy ?

I'm still wound up about this.

Do you refer to all imperialist colonialist subjugation in terms of "defeat and humiliation" of its victims Nigel?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[The39thStep]

All of us really ddraig , I don't get why as a whole nothing was done ages ago about salafi twats on the streets.

the Kurds in London had no hesitation

 

[The39thStep]

I can only think of one actual mobilisation by antifascists against Islamacists and that was the time the UBA were joined by the Sikhs and a delegation from antifascists. Has anyone any more examples?

 

[IC3D]

I've posted that very clip myself as it is on my doorstep The39thStep they aren't who I'm talking about, they certainly don't represent the broader left in this country. Salafist rocking up in Wood Green got it handed to them and a great job was done kicking fuck out of them, they had been hanging around like a bad fart for a while. I have Kurdish mates, been on demos and bunging the odd tenner to YPG for a goodwhile

 

[Pickman's model]

I can only think of one actual mobilisation by antifascists against Islamacists and that was the time the UBA were joined by the Sikhs and a delegation from antifascists. Has anyone any more examples?

Er the Sikhs were up by the national gallery and the uba were in trafalgar Sq and antifa were somewhere in between

 

[The39thStep]

I've posted that very clip myself as it is on my doorstep The39thStep they aren't who I'm talking about, they certainly don't represent the broader left in this country. Salafist rocking up in Wood Green got it handed to them and a great job was done kicking fuck out of them, they had been hanging around like a bad fart for a while. I have Kurdish mates, been on demos and bunging the odd tenner to YPG for a goodwhile

I agree with you mate. I was trying to illustrates that there are those who know a fascist when they see one and have no hesitation in doing something about it. Its the left that have the problems .

 

[The39thStep]

Er the Sikhs were up by the national gallery and the uba were in trafalgar Sq and antifa were somewhere in between

Yes that the only one that I remember.The UBA as I recall were both confused and a little hostile as I recall.

 

[Red Sky]

I can only think of one actual mobilisation by antifascists against Islamacists and that was the time the UBA were joined by the Sikhs and a delegation from antifascists. Has anyone any more examples?

Certainly the AFN has mobilised in support of Kurdish pro Rojava demos.

How do you suggest anti fascists mobilise against Wahabists or Jihadists short of travelling to Syria?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Certainly the AFN has mobilised in support of Kurdish pro Rojava demos.

How do you suggest anti fascists mobilise against Wahabists or Jihadists short of travelling to Syria?

They do flyer handouts in locations around London.

 

[Red Sky]

They do flyer handouts in locations around London.

Pre announced or flash demo style?